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THE LIES AND UNTRUTHS IN THE ATTACKS ON THE FAIRTAX
FAIRtax Chairman's Report 02/03/23 ^ | 02/03/23 | Steve Hayes

Posted on 02/06/2023 1:27:31 PM PST by Taxman

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1 posted on 02/06/2023 1:27:31 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Man50D; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; Voter#537; ...

OK, FAIRtaxers, have at it!

Let us work together to push the FAIRtax issue in 2023!

Go to https://www/fairtax.org to get involved, please!


2 posted on 02/06/2023 1:31:07 PM PST by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2023 AND 2024!)
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To: Taxman

The national sales tax is a perfect, simple, tax which is why the bureaucrats in Washington, who make the tax code complex and difficult in order to keep their jobs, absolutely hate the idea.

A national sales tax means if you can afford lobster, you pay a higher tax than the guy buying bologna. If you can buy a top-of-the-line vehicle, you’re going to be paying a higher tax than the guy picking himself up a cheap used Ford Focus. It’s the only real, fair tax.

But MOST importantly, it makes sure the government is promoting prosperity (unlike, for example, right now). If the economy is good and people are buying things, government makes more money. If the economy stinks, government has to do with less.

Under those circumstances, you bet government is going to do its best to keep people buying and the money rolling in.


3 posted on 02/06/2023 1:37:48 PM PST by JennysCool ("It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." - Mark Twain)
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To: Taxman
However, if the family spends more than $3,287 per month on new goods and services, they, they will have to pay the 30% tax exclusive rate on the excess amount. If the family spends their entire income of $3,333 per month, they will pay the FAIRtax on only $46 per month, $3,333 minus $3,287. That means they will pay just $13.80 per month or $165 a year out of their own pocket.

Implementation of this means the gubment tracks where you spend your money. No thank you. There's a reason lots of people like to pay in cash.

4 posted on 02/06/2023 1:38:12 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Taxman

Older retired people have very little income,
live off of their savings and social security,
pay very little in the way of income taxes,
and do not want to pay a national sales tax.


5 posted on 02/06/2023 1:43:03 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: Taxman

While the FAIRtax is a potentially good idea, I prefer a flat tax of 15%. First $35,000 is tax free and then you pay 15% on everything after.


6 posted on 02/06/2023 1:50:00 PM PST by DMD13
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To: Tell It Right

That amount is based on a model of average family spending at that income level. No tracking is involved or needed.


7 posted on 02/06/2023 1:52:14 PM PST by Valpal1 (Not even the police are safe from the police!!!)
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To: DMD13

Flat tax is still on income and that is my problem with it ... complex interaction with the IRS.


8 posted on 02/06/2023 1:54:19 PM PST by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: DMD13

I would only favor the Fair Tax if it involves a constitutional amendment forbidding congress from ever passing any form of income tax ever again.

A flat tax would last one, maybe two congressional terms and then the asshats would start tinkering with it all over again.

Their power to grift lays in their power to tinker with the tax system and they know it.


9 posted on 02/06/2023 1:56:10 PM PST by Valpal1 (Not even the police are safe from the police!!!)
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To: Taxman

The present progressive income tax system has been a massive transfer of wealth for a long time. They will not let go of that easily.


10 posted on 02/06/2023 2:02:22 PM PST by VinnieCCT
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To: Taxman

Very wealthy people save and invest. Mostly that is why they have a bigger chunk of Cash. If you will notice as we lowered the taxes of very upper class and even moderately wealthy persons they become more and more Democrat. So unless they really spend massive amounts of their money they end up the winners. It’s just like the poor. The less they pay in taxes and the more they receive from welfare state the less they care about spending. The rich can have their lower taxes and get their government contracts, subsidies and spend government money on their pet projects (especially since they run both parties). The flat tax is clearly self defeating.


11 posted on 02/06/2023 2:05:35 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Taxman

100% for the FairTax.

Have been for years!


12 posted on 02/06/2023 2:35:13 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: Repeal The 17th

Old people will get the prebate, and only pay tax on new items...


13 posted on 02/06/2023 2:39:17 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: Taxman; Man50D

As a retired CPA living off my retirement income, I am frequently told a myriad of reasons why I should oppose the FairTax. Those reasons are BS. I am 100% behind the FairTax. Thank you for your post.


14 posted on 02/06/2023 2:59:58 PM PST by foxfield (When the going gets tough, the tough get going!)
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• We get to keep our whole paycheck and pay taxes only when we make retail purchases of new goods and services.

You would think this would be something the people would want?

15 posted on 02/06/2023 3:08:53 PM PST by Pajamajan ( PRAY FOR OUR NATION. Never be a peaceful slave in a new Socialist America)
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Yup. Most Americans have no clue what they pay in Federal taxes. They do see the state and local retail sales taxes on retail receipts though. If they saw the tax on a retail receipt they might catch a clue.


16 posted on 02/06/2023 3:29:20 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Particularly when I’ve already paid the taxes on the money in my savings accounts.
Not to mention the money tucked in my mattress. And the money I used to buy untraceable gold.


17 posted on 02/06/2023 4:21:46 PM PST by Do_Tar (All my comments are creative or artistic expression.)
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To: Taxman

Preach!


18 posted on 02/06/2023 4:22:20 PM PST by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness )
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To: Taxman

The “fair” tax is simply to large for me to support this particular incarnation of it.

No more than 10%. When you consider all the massive taxes collected on everything they can live on 10%. They just would have to stop the unchecked spending sprees they will not stop themselves from doing.

No more than 10%, and I am on board. IRS can then go bye bye which would help cut expenses.

This will never happen, however. DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH.

Taxes in this country have zero to do with covering debt. Taxes are all about control and punitive penalties over regular people. Even former fed chairs have admitted this truth.


19 posted on 02/06/2023 5:47:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It started out at 10%.
Then went to 17%.
Now it’s at 23%.
And that’s by the proponents.
Once it actually got through, it’ll be up around 40%.
I know. I’m an optimist.


20 posted on 02/06/2023 6:37:11 PM PST by Do_Tar (All my comments are creative or artistic expression.)
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