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Israeli military intelligence chief resigns over failure to prevent deadliest attack in Israel's history
FOX ^ | 4/22/24 | Lawrence Richard

Posted on 04/22/2024 4:59:06 AM PDT by hardspunned

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To: hardspunned
So it could have been prevented? Is that the message Israel want to put out there?

41 posted on 04/22/2024 8:42:14 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Socon-Econ

Yes he was under attack by the left. All the more reason for him to seek an external distraction of a Hamas attack.


42 posted on 04/22/2024 8:42:56 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: Brian Griffin

I agree with the failure of citizens to be capable of self defense, Israel needs a 2nd ammendment, However:

We were promised by Bibi that a formal investigation into the failure of Israeli intelligence would be forthcoming. (And there was a failure of intelligence). But the resignation of the Intel chief does not preclude the promised investigation ,

I understand that the Israeli leadership (don’t know if it was Netenyahu or someone else in the command chain) allowed concentration of energy on the West Bank and this may have left the Gaza border in a weakened state. But this may be due to a diversion on the part of the Palestinians and incompetence on the part of Israel. And we should never underestimate the power of incompetence to explain failures of human systems. I will honor the resignation and await the investigation results.

And to make my position clear, the Palestinians started this thing, no matter how many years the back and forth persecution has been left to fester, Oct 7 was as worthy of retribution as Pearl Harbor and I realize that this leads to a desire for revenge forever. But sometimes you have stand up to bullies.


43 posted on 04/22/2024 9:26:47 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer and CSP who also taught)
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To: jimwatx
Actually, it was Kamal Hussein, Saddam's son in law, married to his daughter Raghed, where a lot of it began.

He defected to Jordan and told them that Saddam was making new chem and bio weapons and was working on nukes, which the Jordanians relayed to us.

Kamal, then, returned to Iraq, after Saddam promised that no harm would come to him and was promptly shot.

Before the invasion convoys of trucks were tracked from Iraq to the Bekkah Valley in Lebanon, suspected of carrying these new weapons.

During Saddam's interregation, after he was captured, he freely admitted that he did make it known that he restarted his chem, bio and nuke weapons programs, in violation of the agreement that ended the first Gulf War, but that it was all a bluff, to keep the Iranians guessing.

The.Italians seized a North Korean ship, sailing to Libya and found nuke weapons related stuff.

When confronted, Qadaffi admitted that he had Saddam's nuke weapons program stuff and promptly gave it up, not wanting to end up like Saddam.

Qadaffi was working with us, fighting al queda, when hussein, biden and clinton betrayed him.

This all came from a good friend that was in intelligence, in the Army, at the time.

In the end, Saddam did have thousands of viable chem weapons that he promised to have destroyed.

I do not believe anything my government tells me, especially, now.

I do not believe anything a muslim says and I, especially, don't believe anything from the msm.

I am not saying that we should have gone to war with Iraq and invaded.

We can agree that the running of the war and it's aftermath were a disaster, for our own wounded and killed and for Christians, Yazidis and Iraqis.

44 posted on 04/22/2024 1:20:39 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Eagles6

Ok you seem to know more about this than I do so I will accept your explanations. It’s been awhile and I can’t remember all of the details from back then.


45 posted on 04/22/2024 1:50:12 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx
Just, remember that the whole "no wmds" stuff was started by the left and parroted by the msm.

The ME is very tribal and it takes a brutal chief to rule them.

Again, not saying that we should have gone in, to begin with.

46 posted on 04/22/2024 2:05:57 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Eagles6
Just, remember that the whole "no wmds" stuff was started by the left and parroted by the msm.

Yeah.......about that......

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them." -- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country." -- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." " -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him." -- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction." -- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict." -- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons." -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." -- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening. -- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003

47 posted on 04/22/2024 2:09:06 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Eagles6

“The ME is very tribal and it takes a brutal chief to rule them.”

I agree completely which is why I’ve usually given Israel the benefit of the doubt in the past despite some of their questionable policies. They are a tiny country in the midst of a very hostile neighborhood. They have to be tough to survive.


48 posted on 04/22/2024 2:11:10 PM PDT by jimwatx
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, I see the pattern.😉


49 posted on 04/22/2024 3:18:12 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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