'First Americans Were Australian'

BBC ^ | 6-15-2003

[Koblenz]

It looks like Jean-Luc Picard.

[bruinbirdman]

"9,400 years ago in Nevada."

There are petroglyphs not far from here that have never been dated or translated. Yet, there are Indians all around here.

yitbos, BBM, Boulder City, Nevada

[bruinbirdman]

Perhaps and Australian Abo should take a look at them.

[blam]

9,300 year old Kennewick Man, He die in his mid-40's too. (In Washington State)

[TLI]

Jean-Luc must have gotten his orbit co-ord's backwards....

[gcruse]

The identity of the first Americans is an emotive and controversial question.

Which is why, without the Internet and the BBC, this news would
never make the popular press in the US of A.

[blam]

Here is the picture of the Australian Aborigine that didn't post (second picture) in the original article.

[lizma]

Maybe but have patience.

Consider the change in land mass. Consider the genetic studies. Time will hopefully tell.

What bothers me much more than possible slanted findings is stopping research dead in it's tracts for political gain (a.k.a. Kennewick man fiasco)

[LiteKeeper]

YEC SPOTREP

[SAJ]

Comps on your evidently wonderful sense of irony! :^)

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

No mention of what's his name, up in Washington, or wherever. The one that the Native American's laid claim to...

(I'm trying to think of a clever Creationist/Darwinist jibe, but I can't)

[blam]

The First Americans

(long but good read)

[KayEyeDoubleDee]

Kennewick man!!!

[bruinbirdman]

Re: Kennewick Man

As I recall, the Washington Indians want nothing to do with this dude. If his ancestry is verified it would ruin about 90% of, ahem, "native American" claims concerning ancestral rights, many of which have been written into law.

yitbos

[blam]

"No mention of what's his name, up in Washington, or wherever. The one that the Native American's laid claim to... "

Kennewick Man, the Indians have lost a couple times on this but, I think it is in court again on appeal.

[blam]

David Chatters, the archaeologist who did the major work on Kennewick Man, in his book, Ancient Encounters, said that the Indians spit on him, physically assaulted and threatened to kill him. (...and a lot of other shenigans)

The Clintons ordered the Corps Of Engineers to destroy the discovery site by hauling in dirt, rocks and etc. and covered the site and would not allow further evacuation. It got pretty hot and heavy for a while.

[petuniasevan]

One little problem with the "drifted and washed ashore" theory: Note that the modern occurrence was fisherMEN. There's no reason to assume that women were out on fishing expeditions which were blown off-course.

On the other hand, if like the Polynesians the purported Aborigines were trying to retreat from enemies they might have loaded whole families into boats and tried to find new uninhabited lands.

Did you know that the Lombok Straits between Bali and Lombok (both in the country of Indonesia) separate the Indo-Malayan realm from the Austro-Malayan realm? Bali and west: elephants, orangs, tigers (once), cattle, rhinos. Lombok and east: kangaroos, birds-of-paradise, parrots, eucalyptus trees, platypus.

The animals, birds, and trees did not or could not cross the deep, treacherous Lombok Straits. But humans did, maybe as long ago as 50 or 60,000 years. The date is definitely subject to speculation; that humans DID cross the Straits long ago is not. Maybe they made the 40-mile crossing on rafts or in dugout canoes (outriggers?). Who knows? The thing to remember is, "Primitive doesn't mean stupid".

People got around in prehistoric times; we're interrelated to a greater degree than almost any other species.

[yankeedame]

...hopefully this will mean everyone will be able to open a tax free casino.

LOL! And tax free cigarettes, don't forget that!

[blam]

"The animals, birds, and trees did not or could not cross the deep, treacherous Lombok Straits. But humans did, maybe as long ago as 50 or 60,000 years."

Yes, I did know that.

You must be talking about Mungo Man and his gang (68,000 years ago), huh.

BTW, recent DNA analysis indicates that he has a modern human body but is not related to any human alive today. (A dead end human line?)

[blam]

Statue unearthed by archaeologists at an Olmec(1200BC) site in Mexico.

(Just needs a skull-cap, huh?)