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If anyone is interested.....could this be the roman empire we were waiting for?
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Posted on 05/26/2005 5:46:35 AM PDT by stormyseas

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To: stormyseas
I am not sure the catholic church will hold it together after Benedicts statement about the jews being theologicaly correct in not accepting Jesus, most catholics will not stand for theological change.

That's their problem if they don't. I hope that was just a first step of the truth being told.

221 posted on 05/28/2005 4:18:44 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: stormyseas
hey be nice!!!!!

Sorry, I was beginning to think I wasn't going to get through.

222 posted on 05/28/2005 4:19:48 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: stormyseas

Nice chatting with you. Glad you understand what I was talking about, now. :)


223 posted on 05/28/2005 4:27:00 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: Bennett46

You humblingly bring me to blessed, sweet tears.

THANKS TONS for your kind words.

May God reward you 10 times over accordingly. All glory and explanation for any good, of course, derives from HIM and is all due Him.


224 posted on 05/28/2005 7:41:57 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: BearWash

You are right as usual.

Thanks enormously.

Blessed and honored to know you.

LUB,


225 posted on 05/28/2005 7:42:33 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

HI again....:) The question you asked yesterday about who else changed things as per Daniel? I was glad you asked, very glad. I have researched a lot since then, so thanks for the brain work. Also a comment about the UN has not changed yahweh's laws, well remember the kingdom that consumed the world had to start from a building block...:) (the old Rome) Now it is the new Rome as I have explained previously, because of the one world Government newly imposed. One world one Government. Now a closer look at who changed things, was it the Roman Catholic Church?
I wrote this and copied and pasted, the research was found in a few places.
Yesterday you approached me with something I had studied some time ago and didn’t really think much about it, also I had been here all day. I have studied back over this using the means I have necessary looking at the views of four denominations including agnosticism. It is always nice to know what everyone thinks and then form your own opinion based on all facts, even if it is a different view, as I have explained, traditional isn’t always correct. Through many ages we have believed what we have been told to, and by reading books from certain people, by attending a certain church all of our lives….etc. (but the real truth is found in history and scripture, together) With this in mind, who did change the Sabbath? How has this change been brought about? If the change was not made by Christ or His apostles, by whose authority was it made? There is absolutely no mention of Sunday sacredness in all the New Testament. There is no suggestion from either Christ or the apostles that it was to take the place of the seventh-day Sabbath. Then re-studying the gospels I saw that we are clearly told in the Gospels that the Sabbath comes between the sixth and the first days of the week (see Luke 23:54-56; 24:1); therefore it is the seventh day. We find Luke talking about the Sabbath “according to the commandment,” and stating that the followers of Jesus kept it even after Christ's crucifixion. (See Luke 23:56.) This companion of Paul, who wrote at least twenty-eight years after the cross, does not recognize any change as having taken place. Mark declares that when the first day of the week comes, the Sabbath is past. (See Mark 16.) It also shows that Mark did not note any change in the Sabbaths obligation. John in Revelation 1:10 speaks of the Lord's day, but he does not even hint that he was referring to Sunday. He only says “the Lord's day,” and both Jesus and inspired writers insist that the Lord's day is the original Sabbath. Thus through Isaiah, God calls it “My holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. And Jesus declared, “The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:28. Can such a statement be produced in support of a Sunday Lord's day? I don’t believe so. If it had been there people would have found it. The Word of God is not divided against itself. It is not yes and no, but yeas and amen; that is, it is an affirmation in its whole. (See 2 Corinthians 1:19, 20.) When it declares in one place that one day is the Lord's day, it does not contradict it in some other place and substitute another Lord's day. Therefore no Sunday Lord's day is to be found in Scripture.
A catholic author wrote this, “In commemoration of Christ's resurrection, the church observes Sunday. The observance does not rest on any positive law, of which there is no trace.”
So here we have a confession of failure.

I also found that the Sunday worship day was originated with the Eastern or Greek Church, not with Rome in the West. All the first witnesses for the Lord's day were not Romans, but Greeks living in the East. This is what the Catholics said, (notice the past tense) so let us see.

It was not until after every ordinance of the Christian church had been instituted and placed in order; not until the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ, which finalized the new covenant. Not, in fact, until Pentecost that the gospel began to be proclaimed to the Greeks and other Gentile nations. In fact, the Pentecost shows that the Greeks heard the gospel on that occasion, and carried it to the countries in the East. Now…. But what has this to do with the Sabbath? The early church was already established, its laws and ordinances were fixed, it had been given its commission to “go ye, teach all nations,” and the teaching was to lead people “to observe all things whatsoever I [Jesus Christ] have commanded you.” Matthew 28:19, 20. The commands had been given, and with Peter's sermon on Pentecost the apostolic church, under the endowment of the Holy Spirit, entered upon its Heaven-appointed task of world evangelism. Any change of laws or ordinances after that would be invalid. It had not been left for Gentile converts of later centuries to make the rules and laws of the church, but Christ had carefully attended to all this Himself, and had given His disciples full instruction as to what to teach. Concerning the Ten Commandments, He had said to them: “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail”; and “whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Luke 16:17; Matthew 5:19. This, then, included the Sabbath and all, every tittle. This is as though Jesus had said that not so much as the dot of an i or the cross of a t was to fail or be changed. And the disciples are commanded to both do and teach them. Thus the commission given by our Lord to the church to “teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you,” included the teaching of the whole Decalogue. Any subsequent change in the Sabbath, by either Greek or Roman, could therefore in no way affect our obligation to keep the original Sabbath of creation.
All the first witnesses for the Lord's day were not Romans, but Greeks living in the East. These were Barnabas, Justin Martyr, Dionysius, Clement, Anatolius, Origen, Eusebius.
The apostles knew nothing of a Sunday Lord's day, and therefore could not bear witness to it. No such thing as substituting Sunday for Saturday, the original seventh-day Sabbath, had been thought of in their day. All this change followed later, in the wake of the apostasy which engulfed Christendom during the Middle Ages.
Some time later after the apostles is when we must look to see where the change occurred. Here we look in history. It is not found in scripture not even in Revelation, so the change hadn’t taken place yet. The first recorded instance of religious meetings being held by some of the Christian churches on Sunday, which has any claim to be considered genuine, is mentioned by Justin Martyr, A.D. 140. Justin does not, however, even say that this day had any divine authority, either from Christ or from His apostles. Nor was it kept as a day of rest. This is about the time that the great apostasy started to commence. “I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” Acts 20:29, 30. also, “The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2 Timothy 4:3, 4. “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? … For the mystery of iniquity doth already work.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3-7.
For the first five centuries of the church there is no mention of any transfer or change of the Sabbath to the first day of the week. A Christian author wrote, The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was only a human ordinance; and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect,—far from them, and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday.
Now, in early Christian worship Mithraism appeared, it was the seeming worship of the sun, however the greater thing is it also had high pretense to uphold moral standard. This new heathenism soon captured the Caesars, invaded the Roman armies and the centers of learning, and was embraced by the higher classes of society. Alexandria and Rome soon became important Mithran centers, and, in fact, history records. In the middle of the third century, Mithraism seemed to fast be becoming the world religion by majority and thus became the greatest antagonist of Christianity. Some of the peculiar doctrines enunciated by its priests were “the immortality of the soul,” “the use of bell and candle, holy water and communion. The devotees of Mithra held Sunday sacred because Mithra was identified with the ‘invincible sun. There soon set in a life-and-death struggle between Mithraism and Christianity, and since apostasy was already ripe in the Christian church, it was only a short step further for her leaders to agree upon a compromise. Many of these leaders had themselves come into the church as converts from Mithraism, and still had a certain veneration for the sun and those institutions held sacred to it. It was therefore agreed by them that, in order to facilitate the conversion of the heathen, and thus advance the cause of Christ over that of Mithra, they would incorporate many of the teachings and institutions of Mithraism into the church, and among these was the Sunday festival. “The sun was a foremost god with heathendom…. There is, in truth, something royal, kingly about the sun, making it a fit emblem of Jesus, the Sun of justice. Hence the church in these countries would seem to have said, ‘Keep that old pagan name. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.’ And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder [the god of light and peace], became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus.”
Christianity finally came to look just like paganism. Faustus, a pagan of the fourth century, in speaking to the Christians, declared:
“You celebrate the solemn festivals of the Gentiles, … and as to their manners, those you have retained without any alteration. Nothing distinguishes you from the pagans except that you hold your assemblies apart from them.”—Faustus (a non-Christian) to St. Augustine (4th Century), cited in History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, John William Draper, M.D., LL.D.,
“It was near 900 years from our Savior’s birth, if not quite so much, before restraint of husbandry on this day, had been first thought of in the East; and probably being thus restrained, did find no more obedience there, than it had done before in the Western parts.”—History of the Sabbath, part 2, chap. 5, par. 6. Summing up what history teaches regarding the origin of Sunday and the development of the doctrine about Sunday, then this is the sum: It is not the apostles, not the early Christians, nor the councils of the ancient church which have imprinted the name and stamp of the Sabbath upon the Sunday, but it is the Church of the Middle Ages and its teachers.
A gradual change from Sabbath observance to Sunday observance came in after the first centuries of the Christian Era had passed. The more the pagan world came to favor Christianity.
From the Encyclopedia Britannica we read:
“The earliest recognition of the observance of Sunday as a legal duty is a constitution of Constantine in 321 A.D., enacting that all courts of justice, inhabitants of towns, and workshops were to be at rest on Sunday (venerabili die solis), with an exception in favor of those engaged in agricultural labor.”—Article “Sunday,” vol. 26 (11th ed.), p. 95.
This, then, is admittedly the very first law for the sabboth. He was however heathen Christian, he was not “the church” even though he had ruler ship influence over it, to instate laws and what not. When Constantine made his law, it was to the effect that people were to “rest on the venerable day of the sun,” not on the Sunday—Lord's day. “This legislation by Constantine probably bore no relation to Christianity; it appears, on the contrary, that the emperor, in his capacity of Pontifex Maximus, was only adding the day of the sun, the worship of which was then firmly established in the Roman Empire, to the other ferial days of the sacred calendar.”—Prof. Hutton Webster, Ph.D. (University of Nebraska), Rest Days, p. 122.
“What began, however, as a pagan ordinance, ended as a Christian regulation; and a long series of imperial decrees,
If a single text of Scripture in favor of Sunday observance could have been found, how totally unnecessary would be all this effort to prove Constantine to have been a great benefactor to the Christian church! The Sabbath law is found in the Word of God. Failing to find a Sunday law there. So it is to the edict of a half Christian, half pagan emperor, of the fourth century. The first day of the week was known throughout the pagan world as the sun's day. The name given to it was Dies Solis, or the day of the sun, sacred to the sun-god.
The Religious Encyclopedia says:
“The Ancient Saxons called it by this name, because upon it they worshiped the sun.”
“It is not to be denied but [that] we borrow the name of this day from the ancient Greeks and Romans, and we allow that the old Egyptians worshiped the sun, and as a standing memorial of their veneration, dedicated this day to him.”—Dialogues on the Lord's Day.
Constantine probably had no thought of enforcing respect for a Christian institution by his famous Sunday law, but rather a very ancient heathen festival, which was then beginning to compete strongly with the Christian Sabbath (Saturday). This resulted from the influence of paganism upon the Christian church.
Of the popularity of sun worship at Rome at that time, and the consequent influence this had on the Christian religion, the following historical quotations will testify:
“Sun worship, however, became increasingly popular at Rome in the second and third centuries A. D. The sun god of Emesa in Syria—Deus Sol invictus Elagabalus—was exalted above the older gods of Rome by the emperor [Macrinus, A. D. 217, taking the name Elagabalus], who, as his priest, was identified with the object of his worship; and in spite of the disgust inspired by the excesses of the boy priest, an impulse was given to the spread of a kind of ‘solar pantheism,’ which embraced by a process of syncretism the various Oriental religions and was made the chief worship of the state by Aurelian.”—H. Stuart Jones, Companion to Roman History, p. 302.
Due to Constantines authority over his kingdom, was the church at Rome, therefore, that took the lead in authoritatively substituting the papal Sunday for the Christian Sabbath. Many of the churches in the East, however, soon followed its example. At the Laodicean Council began the long struggle to enforce its observance upon all. Thereafter everything was done that “Christian” emperors, kings, popes, councils, and synods could do to swing all the churches, both east and west, into line, to uphold the canon of Laodicea, and to add to the sanctity of the day of the sun. Charlemagne did more, perhaps, than any other emperor to make this part of the faith of the church effective, and in his first decree he referred directly to this canon of the Council of Laodicea. But it required repeated councils, actions, bulls, and encyclicals of the bishops and popes finally to establish the change. Yes, more still, it required bitter persecution, and a large number of those who refused to surrender their observance of the true Sabbath upon the mere authority of the church, had the privilege of sealing their faith with the blood of martyrdom. So who is originally guilty? Satan, the leader of a kingdom not the church instituted the change of the commandment into authority, there for everyone that could not stand against it, due to weakness would fall for sometime until it completely took over most of the world through violence and then through just acceptance. Therefore we owe the blame to many, catholics, Rome, Christians and anyone else who followed the teachings of Satan and his pagan authoritarians. Now I will go a bit farther and say, the catholic church has made admissions to this, therefore accepting their responsibility, but so should many others. In the long run, we should look at the fact that Catholics have done a lot of great things and be so very careful in examining the anti Christ. As a whole the church has helped to defeat communism, they also request continuously that we pray and read scripture, without taking the books and writings of others and their opinions into first context. The answer is most of the things that went wrong happened shortly after or soon after the death and resurrection of Christ, by people from all sides. However what is important is that we examine them today.


226 posted on 05/29/2005 7:01:29 AM PDT by stormyseas
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To: Thinkin' Gal

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227 posted on 05/29/2005 7:15:12 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Remember, once you're over the hill, you pick up speed.)
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To: stormyseas

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The Sabbath is the 7th day. Saturday, starting at dusk Friday and ending at dusk Saturday.

The sabbath was created for all mankind. There were no Jews in Genesis.

Genesis 2
1 And the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it He rested from all His work which God in creating had made.
4 These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that YHWH God made earth and heaven.

In the above verses we have God blessing and sanctifying the seventh day. Making the seventh day holy.

Exodus 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:10
10 but the seventh day is a sabbath unto YHWH thy God, in it thou shalt not do any manner of work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates;

In the two verses above we see once again, that the seventh day is holy, and we now see that this day is called 'the sabbath'. The seventh day of the week is the sabbath. Over time the numbers given to the days of the week, were replaced by names. Saturday was the name given to the seventh day. We can also see that everyone kept it including strangers in their community.

The Sabbath will be kept in the Millennium

Isaiah 66
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

In the verse above we can see that ALL flesh are to worship before God, on the sabbath in the Millennium. It also says from one Sabbath to another, indicating that there are other days that are not Sabbaths.

Revelation 14
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Notice it doesn't say 'the commandments of Jesus'. The faith Jesus followed would be 'the way' YHWH outlined.

Revelation 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Keeping the sabbath is the 4th commandment.

Mark 2
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

In Old Testament prophecy, the term "Day of the Lord" refers to the prophetic time of the return of the Messiah as conquering king and world ruler. "Lord's Day" is the same as saying "Day of the Lord." John, in Revelation, was referring to the Day of the Lord, not the first day of the week. Mark 2:28 says that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is the only "Lord's Day."

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

If keeping the sabbath were to be done away with why would Yehoshua tell people to pray their flight wouldn't occur on the sabbath?

At no point does Yehoshua ever say to his followers 'Look, when I'm dead and gone, everything is going to change and everything I told you to preach to Gentiles, forget it, because everything will change.' Nope, he never said that, because things were not meant to change. imho

Sun worship was around a long time before Christianity adopted some of its pagan ways.

You can click on my screen name and check out The Papacy and the Sun Pope.

All those good things.
Don't forget that satan can appear as an angel of light. ;)

Justin Martyr admits that Christianity offers nothing new that the pagans didn't already have.


228 posted on 05/30/2005 1:59:54 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (Pro 26:13 The sluggard saith: 'There is a pierced in the way; yea, a pierced is in the streets.')
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To: ET(end tyranny)

Thank you...:)...you wouldn't believe what brain work you have caused...;)


229 posted on 05/30/2005 2:02:11 PM PDT by stormyseas
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To: muir_redwoods

Thank you for that interesting fact!


230 posted on 05/31/2005 5:03:37 AM PDT by ctlpdad (Liberals - weeds in the lawn of society.)
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To: Quix; JockoManning

Not sure if you folks are the right ones to address this to . . . but if you are speaking of some sort of prophecy ping or notice list, please put me on it.

THX.


231 posted on 06/15/2005 7:14:56 PM PDT by Aroha (Watching, waiting, praying, endeavoring to do His will and work.)
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To: Quix
...so I looked up the thread in question! FR has officially become part of my brain--apparently the part that functions.

Cowbells were way off-point. My humblest apologies.

How are your father, stepdad, and Debra doing? What a difficult time for your family. You're in my prayers, FRiend.

232 posted on 06/18/2005 11:58:39 AM PDT by grellis (FEMININE-ist)
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To: grellis

LOL. I can understand about FR becoming part of one's brain.

Thanks much.

Dad and Step-dad are doing well, it seems. Even Dad has rallied. Hope to find out about Debra next week. Thanks enormously for the caring and prayers.

Bless you and yours similarly with all God's best.

LUB


233 posted on 06/18/2005 12:45:33 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: stormyseas

A lot of people think the Roman Empire died and went away long ago. But when I awoke and looked out the door this morning, there it was, just like ever. It never went away but just changed its nameplate.


234 posted on 06/18/2005 12:49:06 PM PDT by RightWhale (Some may think I am a methodist)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Good to see you back and in rare form.

B'Shem Y'shua

235 posted on 06/18/2005 1:48:59 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: BearWash; All
Dear Bear, et al: You may be interested in the following. I didn't share earlier a corollary feeling I had roughly at the same time--though not the same intensity, similar to that regarding my mother.

I don't know how to discern flawlessly all the inputs. But they are accumulating and are interesting. I think the docs at Bill Somers' site are getting better--though maybe in smaller increments than I'd prefer.

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Was scrolling on my way to another thread buried amongst my comments months ago to post the following. Perhaps here's a good place, too.

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Am still in the midst of my 7 week trip to see relatives and loved ones across the USA--particularly in the MidWest.

Before I left on my trip, I KNEW (95-99% certainty) that my Alzheimer's ridden mother would graduate from this life before I returned. She was sleeping as I was about to walk out the door--and knowing I'd not see her again alive, I wanted to hug her extra tight. Dad just said to kiss her on the forehead, which I did. She would not have remembered the hug more than 2 minutes anyway. I didn't tell Dad what I sensed.

She died within a week. My step-mother died 5-6 days earlier. I'd missed or not focused on any sensing of that one.

What I haven't shared on FR or with any FREEPERS yet is the following. As I prayerfully pondered my trip, I also felt (50-70%??? 'certainty'--hard to pin down--above average but not as certain as the feeling about mother dying) that there would be a major devastating something hit the USA before my trip was over.

I have hesitated saying anything to anyone because the sense was less intense than the one about my mother. Or else my skepticism was muffling the sensing. Hard to say. Maybe I just feared being wrong again. In any case, I've just silently prayerfully pondered it.

Then the CA quake sequences started. I felt--UT-OH. I don't think my sensing about such is wrong after all. But I was still a bit wary.

Then last night, I decided to survey Bill Somers' site as I hadn't for many weeks. And, I came across several prophetic posts saying such things--one particularly noting that something was likely to happen 24 June. And there's the interesting one I'll put below with the maps.

I still don't know what. But I'm more convinced than before that there will be something much more devastating hit the USA before my trip is over 7 July.

And, I do believe that it will sort of kick off the 2005-2012 time period of dramatic change that one source has articulated and I think I've posted hereon somewhere. That is, once things start happening, there will be increasingly dramatic things happen with increasing speed. That I have no doubt of.

I don't know what the track record of the folks contributing to the following doc is. But I believe they are earnest folks sharing as they've perceived/sensed things as they've prayerfully pondered and experienced such inputs. So, as with everything--take it to God for what HE would have you learn from it, if anything. And, remember, HE SAYS: FEAR NOT but to cling ever more tightly TO HIM.

BTW, I think the lack of polish etc. about parts of the following is some evidence for their merit in being taken at face value. The folks in volved are not trying to get anything. They are just sharing out of their prayerful life experience.

Sooooo, FWIW:

SOMERS' LINK TO HIS "WHAT'S NEW" SECTION. This one is taken from the 2nd chunk of docs: http://www.etpv.org/whatsnew.html

Destruction upon the South, USA

LaTonya N. Malinconico

Destruction in the City

LaTonya N Malinconico

Late 2004

Dream One: I was in the middle of tall downtown buildings and a huge flood was coming so a group of people and I decided to hold on to the buildings inside of this tall see-through building. We were a little high up in the business building. The wind was huge and swept away almost anyone who was not holding on to something. And if you were holding on to something, you had to pray and hold as tight as you could because the wind came, then a big wave of water came. Then when people thought they were safe and were starting to get off the buildings, another wave came.

I remember I was in the street and I looked to my left side and saw the buildings shaking and slowly water started to come. I started to run back to the building but the dream was in slow motion. I barely made it before the water hit. I think I was in New York because the buildings were so huge. Somehow we got on a train ride and were leaving and I remember green grass but there was no conductor and everyone on the train looked tired. Then I woke up.

I had forgot about this dream until I started to research and write about my dream concerning the destruction of the south. So that is why it is posted along the destruction of the south dream. This dream along with many other people’s dreams about New York could mean that God is not playing when he shows us the things that will happen. If we don’t warn the people, God’s judgment will be on us for being bad watchmen. It also serves as a reminder that if we don’t have Jesus Christ as our foundation, we will get swept away by the wind and water like a house built on sand. So let’s be prepared.

Destruction upon the South, USA

LaTonya N Malinconico

Visions & Dreams

March 2005

Dream Two: My husband and I were together at my Aunt’s House and I was telling them that something was happening outside. It was dark all of a sudden and loud thunders where everywhere suddenly.

Then we went through one of the doors in the house and I was outside by myself and there were remnants of water everywhere. There was lightening. Huge lightening and I could tell where they would hit. Very loud!!!!

Everything was flooded and desolate. I was looking around and I could see people scattered and homeless people. A few trees still stood tall. I went under one tree because I didn’t want to be hit by lightening but a woman came and told me not to stand under the tree because there was a huge puddle of water there and the lightening was coming straight for it. In slow motion she grabbed me and the lightening struck and I felt it a little but it hit her instead. There were people in trenches and they were all scattered everywhere.

I woke up and went to the bathroom. There I was just starting to think about the interpretation when God gave me an open vision. It was a map of the United States and zoomed in to the south and there appeared what seemed to be a fault line that spread across the tip of California to the East coast of Florida & Georgia. Under the line everything was flooded, destroyed or devastated.

Then He said that the South will be destroyed because she used to be the Bible Belt and now she is a whore! Immoral in sex-sins and letting everyone run over her. I walked away and tried to go back to sleep but I couldn’t and I felt sad for the South so I prayed to God that he would forgive the Sins of the South and prolong her judgment.

(Isaiah 1:18-21) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. (19) If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: (20) But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. (21) How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

The Bible belt from Secular Sources

A bible belt is an area of fundamentalist Protestantism, where reliance on teachings from the holy books of Christianity is at its most pervasive, and often its most literal. In particular, the Bible Belt (with capitals) covers a number of southern and Midwestern states of the U.S.

The "belt" terminology is common in the U.S. to describe regions with a roughly east-west orientation that share a feature: e.g., the Rust Belt (declining industrial areas) and the Sun Belt (hot-weather states in the south and west).

“We all know the phrase, but where exactly is The Bible Belt? It is a geographical region in the South and midsection of the United States. To be a true Bible Belt Christian, you must have a clear understanding of the things you don't do, like smoking, dancing, going to the pool hall, drinking, or making a public appearance without a Bible in hand. You must believe that your actions are controlled by the Holy Spirit and that doing God's will is the most important part of your life -- no matter what scoffers might think.

Some say that certain people in the Bible Belt go overboard in both their religious and political (usually conservative) practices. But Bible Belters believe that their lives are totally controlled by God and they could no more change their ways than fly. Furthermore, they don't apologize for their seemingly irrational behavior. Like a favorite bumper sticker declares, "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven."

The Great Awakening was the beginning of the movement. If there was a "Bible Belt" in America before then, it was located in the North with such groups as the Massachusetts Puritans and the Pennsylvania Quakers. But, about 1790, something happened. It was as if a great wave suddenly flooded the land. The second Pentecost had begun.”

Today in music, the south has impacted the lives of many through sex, drugs, cars and more sex. In videos today, especially in hip hop and pop, they are wearing no clothes. The rich go to strip bars. The girls get breast implants to be in MTV’s Spring Break. Pornography is made in the south. All of these factors along with the fact that there are so many gay couples in Atlanta and so much fornication in the sunny Miami Beach. Even here in Houston, if you stand up for the bible, they take it out of the court and tell you to go talk to the Supreme Court. Gay marriages, abortion clinics, it is all enough to God. The South needs to repeat.

I remember last year when a friend of mine told me that she had just come from a conference of preachers (nationally know) and that they were all staying at this top hotel. My friend loves to travel and have sex with famous people. She wants to be a groupie, so she is always going around to events.

I asked her why was she at a preacher’s conference. And she told me that they needed girls. Most of these well-known preachers where from the south and over big churches but they are addicted to porn and sex. Many, she said were well over there 50’s and still sinning. God does not like that.

Things like that make me wonder why the secular world is not interested in the gospel sometimes. They can tell when people are fake more than Christians sometimes. As Christians we are to stand up against the injustice of this nation, the sins of the pastors and teachers. God told us to preach the gospel.

If the Bible Belt is going to be judged by God for the things she has not done and taking care of, where does that leave me and you? Simply, we are to pray and ask God to forgive the sins of this nation and the South. We are to help those pastors who do have sins to stop and repent before the Lord. We are to make it hard for them to play sex on regular TV. We are God’s people and he wants a church with no blemish or spot.

I pray for the South and hope that God will prolong his judgment a little while longer. I have included a map of my dream along with references to Nita Johnson’s dream and Dumitru Duduman’s dream about America being destroyed to show the similarities of our dreams so that America can wake up. This is real, it is not a game to play with the Lord.

In Christ,

LaTonya Malinconico

This was the map in my dream- LaTonya Malinconico

The following article was from Mrs. R. B. Braswell (Hattie Irene French) taken from

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HERE: http://www.aarons-advocates.org

This is the Map of gulf of Mexico and the Rio Grande river flooding of Texas as Hattie saw it for the duration (two years) of the Visions and warnings given to her.

For many months only the Rio Grande River flooding was involved; then later for only a month or so, the Gulf Coast tipped into the Gulf of Mexico and was flooded (covered) with water.

No city names were mentioned and no absolute details as to where the cut off lines are to be were given. She was explicit about the southern lines being perfectly straight and helped me produce this map insofar as her poor eyesight could relate.

She always refereed to the straight southern border map as "Ugly Texas" Very close to the end of her life she heard the Words: "I Shall Restore!" and saw the form, (map) of Texas restored back to it's original shape; her comment was. "Oh Texas is beautiful again!"

This is the flooding map of the United States as Seen by my mother, Hattie; Dumitru Duduman, Dell, and Ephraim. America will burn areas are shown in Yellow, ALL of New York State will burn, not only New York City!

California, Florida, ALL of New York state is destroyed, and the city of Las Vegas are shown in yellow overlay and were seen by Dumitru Duduman as being "Sodom and Gomorra" and to be destroyed. The blue wavy portions of Texas are as seen by mother.

The Mississippi River Valley Basin is outlined exactly as Dell saw it by the names of numerous cities that he was given. Mother and Ephraim saw that area to be larger toward the top as the Mississippi drainage area widens to include the whole of the Great lakes and some of the lakes of Canada as well. Essentially the entire Mississippi River Valley is to be flooded by the Great Lakes draining through it. Mother saw two mushroom clouds at the very top of the space and Duduman was told that a place of Russian penetration would be in the state of Minnesota. The whole area is a well know geologic fault zone with the Madrid Fault underling the whole region. There are countless articles on the Madrid Fault disaster of 1811 on the net.

All of these visions and warnings to mother focus around Isaiah 18 with some references to Revelation 18. Duduman was given all of Revelation 18 and told "This is the United States!" The messages are about how repent unto salvation and how to live a clean life and not about fear.

The Vision

Nita Johnson

Excerpt from "Prepare For The Winds Of Change II."

On January 27, 1989, I had been in a spirit of prayer all night and was finally just starting to dose off to sleep. Suddenly, I was fully awakened by a vision of a map of the United States. It was not a vision in my head but was what some call an open vision out in front of me.

The map was in a silvery light and was completely sectioned off into states. just as suddenly as it had appeared, I heard a voice, as robust as the sound of many waters yet with great intensity, begin to give directions. Starting with the West Coast, the voice would speak and that same silvery light would shoot down from the direction of heaven like a laser beam onto the map.

The light would follow the path directed by the voice and then effects would follow as I will explain. First, the voice cried out: 'The West Coast, California, Oregon and Washington, starting from the southern most tip all the way up to Seattle, will suffer natural disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and fire, and enemy attack.

"The line shot up the map taking most of California and leaving only a small section that bordered on Arizona and Nevada. It went up through Oregon taking about half of that state and then on up through Washington, taking about one-third of that state, then moving out toward the ocean through Seattle. The minute the line touched Seattle, everything west of the line disappeared,

The voice then cried out, "Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Illinois will suffer natural disasters, such as floods, earthquakes and tornadoes, and enemy attack. immediately, this line started at about where Lansing, Michigan, is and fanned down in what became two lines going south first.

Then one line swung back up easterly through Ohio, going out over the Great Lake Erie through Cleveland. The other line swung down through Indiana and then headed back up northwesterly and went out into the Great Lake Michigan up by the way of the northeast corner of Illinois and out through Chicago. When it was done, it looked like two "u"s side byside. This affected areas all through the region, for instance, as far east as Detroit and easterly in Michigan to the Great Lake itself on the west. The whole southern part of the glove experienced cataclysmic results.

Next, the voice called out, "Most of Louisiana and all of Texas will suffer natural disasters, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, and enemy attack. " The line shot up through New Orleans east of Baton Rouge, up through Shreveport in a kind of wiggly way then cut off all of Texas. Texas disappeared. Louisiana experienced devastation but didn't disappear.

I was ready for this to end, yet the Lord continued.- New York down through Pennsylvania, the Virginias, the eastern Part of Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida will suffer natural disasters of every kind, hurricanes, flooding, earthquakes, etc. and enemy attack. "Then everything that was east of the line disappeared.

The Lord continued, "The Grand Canyon will suffer natural disasters. " The line seemed to start at the bottom of the Grand Canyon heading northerly straight up to Montana through Yellowstone.

This was also accompanied by cataclysmic disasters like floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, and fires. This affected a substantial area, including Arizona, Utah, western parts of Wyoming, the eastern tip of Idaho and southwestern part of Montana, The regions did not disappear, but experienced utter catastrophe.

Then Missouri, Mississippi, Arkansas, Alabama, West Tennessee, Kentucky, and on it went. There were severe heat waves, hailstorms, energy blackouts, severe snow and ice storms as well as extreme arctic cold spells to the loss of many lives. I saw it so often occur in some the least likely areas, famines, pestilence, plagues, and more.

Nevada and Utah were all but destroyed through natural disasters of every kind and ultimately enemy attack. They did, however, remain on the map (Please note that I am not declaring that the states that disappeared fell off into the sea. I don't know why they disappeared, only that they did. Consequently, I am merely relating what I saw, not trying to interpret.)

I was so dumbstruck that I felt numb, even bruised. It was hard for me to pull it all together in my mind. I just sat there in shock. Finally, I realized if I didn't write it down, I'd lose a lot of it as there was so much detail. So I wrote what I could remember Some states, such as New Mexico, were lost from my memory. I couldn't remember what happened to them, so I didn't record it.

I distinctly remember, however, that the only part of the US. that was not devastated was the Central United States, a region basically west of the Missouri River, as I have indicated on the map. I also realized that many of the things that would begin happening immediately would be of an unusual nature, such as natural disasters that would seem improbable or even impossible, at least for that particular geographical area,

I was instructed that this sequence of events would start immediately, picking up momentum with time until eventually the succession would be happening with gunshot rapidity, until all was fulfilled. It's important to understand that the natural disasters did not specifically follow "the lines", but the lines seemed to indicate the borders of the severely affected areas. The only one exception was the line that went up through the Grand Canyon north to Montana. In that case, the line seemed to symbolize the central core of action with a radiating aftermath both to the east and west. I saw natural disasters in Alaska and the Hawaiian Islands followed by warheads.

Finally, I saw a severe diminishing of our nation's military. Officers, and enlisted men, as well as the closing of many critical bases were part of the scenario. Our ability to defend ourselves was critically reduced, to a point of near ineffectiveness. (The Military cut down was not incorporated in this vision, but was seen many years ago.)

These disasters have already begun, just as He said they would. Since that vision, there have been two earthquakes in California, terrible fires, a hurricane on the East Coast that did what all the meteorologists said could never happen.

The storm entered inland through Charleston, South Carolina, went north and headed back into the ocean through New York. Flooding for the first time in history was recorded in a community in northern Ohio resulting in unusual deaths.

Most recently, there was an earthquake near the southern border of Missouri, and floods in the plains, and terrible disaster in Florida from tornadoes. Those are just a few instances, but hopefully, they're enough to drive the point home. These things are neither freak accidents, as some would have you believe, nor are they just satanic humor on mankind. Church, please realize that the Lord commanded everything that I saw hit the map.

He also told me it was part of the sequential calamities which are warnings ultimately leading to full judgment assigned to this country. They are like blinking red lights along the path of judgment. Go back! Stop! Repent! The end is at hand! Will you hear? Will you pray? How in His great mercy would He gladly stop or minimize catastrophe for His praying church!

As I said earlier, the church will be here through much of it, but not the worst of it. At that, some will utter a sigh of deep relief, but I can't. I don't want people I love left behind to experience that. I saw the devastation. Never again will the people be able to sing, "Oh, beautiful for spacious skies, with amber waves of grain, for purple mountain majesty above the fruited plain. America, America, God shed His grace on thee, and crown thy good with brotherhood, from sea to shining sea." It will no longer be true.

One better to quote will be Jeremiah:

Oh, that my head were waters, and my eyes a reservoir of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people! (Jer. 9:1 Amp.)

The Lord does not delight in the announcements He has made. He has waited this long time that we, as a people, might repent. Some foolishly say, "God is love. He wouldn't do that."

My friends, God is also holy and for that reason He must let this nation who is so steeped in the love of sin and idolatry drink the whole cup of wrath that it has been storing up for two hundred years. If God judged Israel even one time for the sin of the nation, then He must unleash that same righteous judgment against America.

Last, but not least, it doesn't really matter if we believe all, part, or any of what has been written in these pages. If our response is continued apathy, it will all come to pass, most of it before our eyes, as the Lord will fulfill His purpose. The motivating factor, which will cause Him to purge the land by fire, is the sin that has and will continue to rise up before His throne day and night.

Canada will experience as much devastation through various forms of natural disaster, as America. As I shared in an earlier chapter, it will be for the same reasons. Both will experience the purging fire of judgment.

The Lord weeps over the souls of men who have and will suffer through these calamities. He weeps, for His heart breaks over our pain. Fear and unbelief blinds our eyes. Jesus longs to give His light and faith, and bring the sinner to repentance. The things that have moved Him to withhold His judgments up to this point are His intense love for His church and His now over extended mercy for the unrepentant.

HERE: http://www.etpv.org/1998/prepare.html

LaTonya N Malinconico

a.k.a. Kaoticgal tha prophetess

admin@visionsofthelastdays.com

admin@visionsofthelastdays.com

236 posted on 06/20/2005 12:11:14 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: Quix

Thank you. Just on my way out the door; first thing I'll read when I come back!


237 posted on 06/20/2005 12:20:08 PM PDT by steve86
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To: BearWash

No sweat. Thanks. Think I'll take a nap.


238 posted on 06/20/2005 12:21:50 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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