Discovery in Jerusalem: Oldest Writing Ever Found There Unearthed

Jerusalem Post via A Sacred Page ^ | 07-11-10 | Jerusalem Post

[rbmillerjr]

Of course God and Jesus Chris are one and the same.

[rbmillerjr]

Of course God and Jesus Christ are one and the same.

[Mr. Lucky]

Swell, then the object should be dated according to the Jewish calendar. Dating something according to the Christian calendar, but being offended by it, is more than a little disingenuous.

[Uri’el-2012]

Uri’el, it seems that you don’t believe in the Trinity: one God in the three persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. To help me understand your point of reference, again I ask, have you received Jesus Christ as you personal Savior and Messiah?

Yes !

I thank YHvH for becoming my salvation ====> Yah'shua

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Jim W N]

Well, I rejoice with you Uri'el.

So it looks like your issue here is with the Trinity (one God, three persons)? If Jesus Christ is your Messiah, then you must believe in at least God the Father and God the Son. I and my Father are one. John 10:30.

[Uri’el-2012]

So it looks like your issue here is with the Trinity (one God, three persons)?

I do not presume to tell the creator of the universe if He is one or three.

He has said He is ONE.

I take Him at His WORD.

While I do not condemn the celebration of Christmas,
a clear reading of the Holy Word of G-d would lead to another date.

A date commanded by YHvH with clear Biblical meaning and understanding.

Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.

Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.

This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.

Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)).

Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18

Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.

Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.

John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).

Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.

John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.

The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell

Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.

Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.

After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).

Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.

Biblical Dates for the Birth of Yochanan the Immerser
and for the Conception and Birth of Yeshua HaMashiach

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Jim W N]

I do not presume to tell the creator of the universe if He is one or three.

I'm not asking what you're telling God but how you read what He tells you in His Word.

I'll try again...

If you believe that Jesus Christ is your Messiah, then how do you read scripture, including those provided, that speak of the concept of God the Father and God the Son?

I and my Father are one. John 10:30. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool. Psalm 110:1.

[Uri’el-2012]

Have you ever considered that the terms father and son were metaphorical ?

Or do you create G-d in your own image ?

I do not presume to define G-d in human images.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Jim W N]

Uri’el, it appears you’re having trouble with New Testament concepts like “Our Father who is in heaven,” Jesus the Son of God, maybe who the Holy Spirit is, the Trinity and such. That’s OK. It takes time to learn what God wants to teach us in His Word. I would encourage you to focus on reading and learning the New Testament, beginning especially the Gospel of John which unveils who Jesus is and His relationship with His Father.

At the risk of being presumptuous, I would also like to suggest that you try to refrain from harsh condemnation of others who may know less than you or possibly more than you.

Let no man therefore judge you [or others] on meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17.

Being what appears to be a (possibly orthodox?) Jew who has accepted Jesus as Messiah, you may have to unlearn certain traditions of man that are not according to the revelation of Jesus and the New Testament in God’s Word. It may be difficult but will reap you great rewards.

God bless you in your journey with Him.

[cmj328]

Theology is the Queen of the Sciences—not archaeology—and we must obey her ontology over all others lest we violate the First Commandment.

[Uri’el-2012]

Theology is the Queen of the Sciences—not archaeology—and we must obey her ontology over all others lest we violate the First Commandment.

An interesting worldview.

I do worship YHvH and His salvation
in His Holy Word under the illumination
of His Ru'ack HaKodesh.

Do you keep Holy His Shabbat שַׁבָּת ??

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[cmj328]

Theology is the study of God. Archaeology is the study of history. God created time, so the study of God is more important than the study of history.

Or do you disagree, and place history first?

[Uri’el-2012]

Do you keep Holy YHvH's Shabbat שַׁבָּת ??

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

Uri’el, it appears you’re having trouble with New Testament concepts like “Our Father who is in heaven,” Jesus the Son of God, maybe who the Holy Spirit is, the Trinity and such. That’s OK. It takes time to learn what God wants to teach us in His Word. I would encourage you to focus on reading and learning the New Testament, beginning especially the Gospel of John which unveils who Jesus is and His relationship with His Father. At the risk of being presumptuous, I would also like to suggest that you try to refrain from harsh condemnation of others who may know less than you or possibly more than you.

Let no man therefore judge you [or others] on meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17.

Being what appears to be a (possibly orthodox?) Jew who has accepted Jesus as Messiah, you may have to unlearn certain traditions of man that are not according to the revelation of Jesus and the New Testament in God’s Word. It may be difficult but will reap you great rewards.

God bless you in your journey with Him.

The evidences of history leave little doubt.
The concept of the Trinity finds its roots in
Pagan theology and Greek philosophy:

it is a stranger to the Jewish Jesus
and the Hebrew people from which he sprang.

May you seek the face of YHvH in His Word
and accept His salvation.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

My daughter discovered the oldest known writing in Jerusalem.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Jim W N]

the Trinity...is a stranger to the Jewish Jesus

That's a nice assertion, Uri'el, but God's Word declares otherwise for which I've provided you several references that you have ignored. Your arguments are not substantive, completely ignoring scripture provided and lacking scriptural evidence for your assertions.

You need to go back to God's Word, the Bible, especially the New Testament, and learn it.

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to...the commandments and doctrines of men? Colossians 2:20,22.

[cmj328]

This isn’t an inquisition thread on the Sabbath.

[Uri’el-2012]

Seek the face of YHvH in his Holy Word.

Reject man-mad traditions.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

U-2012.the Trinity...is a stranger to the Jewish Jesus

That's a nice assertion, Uri'el, but God's Word declares otherwise for which I've provided you several references that you have ignored. Your arguments are not substantive, completely ignoring scripture provided and lacking scriptural evidence for your assertions. You need to go back to God's Word, the Bible, especially the New Testament, and learn it.

There only ONE YHvH; Yah'shua said so.

Check out all of G-d's Word
as it speaks only of ONE G-d.

If you want to believe in three gods;

Mazol Tov !

Have a wonderful life on the wide road.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Jim W N]

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believes on the Son of God has the witness in himself: he that does not believe God has made him a liar; because he does not believe the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that has the Son has life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:9-13