Did the Ancestors of the Jews Create the World's First Civilization?

[odds]

Did the Ancestors of the Jews Create the World's First Civilization?

hahaha... firm answer is NO.

[wardaddy]

The envy some Freepers have of Jews is very curious

Not something I share honestly.....

Lots of peoples sprang from Mesopotamia and not all Chaldeans took Abraham’s classic trek

This is frankly a silly hypothesis that likely has real Sephardic or Oriental Jews snickering

[Gene Eric]

And preceded Islam.

[BlueDragon]

Uh, nothing against Hebrews, but there is this from Ezekiel 16 ;

...Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

How much that may be figurative, or how much functional I don't know for any certainty.

[BlueDragon]

I could be wrong..but after reading what there is of English translation of the oldest Sumerian legends and following what I could of alleged retracing of movements and migrations of peoples by study of artifacts and dna of populaces still in place, I got the impression that people spread from Mesopotamia regions towards the Indus, instead of the other way around.

That could be affected by the biases of the different researchers I've stumbled upon -- along with a few outlandish and/or ill-informed storytellers...

I can't find it right now, but there was one line of Sumerian writing which said to those still in Mesopotamia "don't go East" with the hint there was the 'God stories' were all mixed up and the people fierce, or something like that.

[odds]

they are an Irani people,...What’s that? I thought the land they stole was called Persia?

They stole it from "Persia", Not - Lol.

Cronos often uses the word "Irani" interchangeably with "Iranian" or "Iranian People". No criticism of Cronos, but it can be misleading & confusing for those who are unaware or who want to stir up.

Kurds ARE a group of "Irani" people.

Iranian (aka Irani, Iranic, Aryan) is a broad umbrella term for all those ethnic groups, who belong to, and share the same Iranian (aka Aryan) roots, racially, culturally and linguistically. For example, Persian, Kurd, Balouchi, Lor, Bakhtiari, Azari, Gilaki, Mazandarani, etc..

[1010RD]

First, Abraham is not a Jew. A Jew is a descendant of the tribe of Judah and/or Manasseh. The other ten tribes are missing.

[1010RD]

the concept of a Trinity (only completely accepted around 900 AD)

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Do you have a good source or reference for this statement?

[Cronos]

I should probably say Iranic :)

[odds]

eh.. you could probably explain a bit more in precise detail :)

[Cronos]

it could be Sumeria —> Indus valley. But which Sumerian legends do you refer to?

[Cronos]

Islam is some crazy warlord’s sick fantasy