Posted on 06/02/2018 6:34:56 AM PDT by Salvation
o Simon bar Jona, disciple/apostle of Jesus the Nazarean: Mt. 4:18, 10:2~, 16:16*, 16:17**; Mk. 1:16, 1:29, 1:30, 3:16~, 14:37; Lk. 4:38, 5:3, 5:4, 5:5, 5:8*, 5:10, 6:14~, 22:312x, 24:34; Jn. 1:40*, 12:41, 1:42**, 6:8*,6:68*, 13:6*, 13:9*, 13:24* , 13:36*, 18:10*, 18:15*, 18:25*, 20:2*, 20:6*, 21:2*, 21:3*, 21:7*, 21:11, 21:15*, 21:15**, 21:16**, 21:17**; Ac. 10:18, 10:32~, 11:13~, 15:14Simeon; 2 Pet. 1:1*
o Simon the Canaanite, called Zelotes: Mt. 10:4, Mk. 3:18, Lk. 6:15, Ac. 1:13
o Simon, son of Joseph the carpenter, son pf Mary, brother of Jesus: Mt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3
o Simon the leper: Mt. 26:6, Mk. 14:3
o Simon of Cyrene: Mt. 27:2, Mk. 15:21, Lk. 23:26,
o Simeon the aged prophet: Lk. 2:25, 2:34
o Simeon, an ancestor of Mary: Lk. 3:30
o Simon the Pharisee: Lk. 7:40, 7:43, 7:44
o Simon the father of Judas Iscariot: Jn. 6:71, 12:4, 13:2, 13:26
o Simon of Samaria, the sorcerer: Ac. 8:9, 8:13, 8:24
o Simon of Joppa, a tanner: Ac. 9:43, 10:5, 10:6, 10:17, 10:32,
o Simeon called Niger: Ac 13:1
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Notes:
~ = the phrases "Simon called Peter" or "Simon, named Peter"
* = indicates the doubled name "Simon Peter"
** = the patronymic phrase "Simon bar Jona"<br>
Some of the comments I wish to make on this will probably be anticipated by the savvy reviewers of the list. But I would make some points worth evaluating:
-- Among the Jewish culture, the name Simon or Simeon apparently is very common.
-- There are 12 Sim(e)ons mentioned in the NT, and 9 of them are alive in Jesus' and Simon Peter's time.
-- Note that I was forced to use "Peter" to distinguish him from the others even in the above sentence.
-- Of particular interest is that in the Acts 15 church council, the ruling elder James did not call Simon by the alternate distiguishing name "Peter," but called him by his name Simeon, distinguishing him from all other Simons by denoting that Simon Peter had preached to them on a particular topic.
-- Reading the above, one sees that Jesus addressed Simon as "Peter" only once or twice, and that was to give him the unique identifier in the community where there was already one other Simon. But in speaking directly to Simon-the-brother-of-Andrew, where a third identifier is unnecessary, Jesus called him by his true name "Simon" or by the honorific patronymic title "Simon bar Jona."
-- The doubled identifying name "Simon Peter" was used once by Matthew, once by Luke, and once by Simon bar Jona of himself, but 15 times by John in his Gospel.
-- The alternate identifier, which by virtue of it almost unknown and unused Aramaic noun "Kefa" and equivalenty unused identifier "Peter" (masculine form) for humans, was used in either of the forms Kephas or Petros about 170 times, but never for any other object or person. Being thus unique, it was a convenient shorthand verbal flag with which to speak about Simon bar Jona to other people, or to write about him.
-- Nowhere in the NT is there any intimation that explicitly it was an estimate of Simon bar Jona as to possessing reliable, steady, mature handling of difficult situations, and unquestionable leadership traits. In fact, it is quite obvious that his behavior was quite power-seeking, selfish, unreliable, divisive, and even Satanically influenced, quite obviously opposite to what one might expect if the sobriquet was meant to describe desirable character attributes.
So, then, what I say is that the word "Kepha" or "Petros" was meant merely as an identifying tag by which to distinguish any communication that was about him or with him, not from which to draw any beneficial character qualities.
And therefore, this opinion is quite consistent with Scripture throughout.
The name "Peter" is just simply a convenient and uniquely irreproducible tag assigned by the foreknowing Master to distinguish him from all other Simon/Simeons favored with that identity. No more, no less.
(Presented for your perusal and criticism -- imardmd)
Very interesting.
Great research!
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There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him,
"Cornelius."
And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said,
"What is it, Lord?"
And he said unto him,
"Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: he lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do."
And when the angelmessenger which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually; and when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peterthe right Simon went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: . . .
Now while Peterthe right Simon doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's (the tanner) house, and stood before the gate, and called, and asked whether Simon (the evangelist), which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
While Peterthe right Simon thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him,
"Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them."
Then Peterthe right Simon went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said,
"Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?"
And they said,
"Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee."
(Acts 10:1-9, 17-22)
And we still often call people by their last names when there's the possibility of confusion about who we mean.
So Donald Trump becomes just Trump.
The KJV translators would probably not have used "sobriquet" or "patronymic" even if they knew about them. So it is the job of the expositor to sort out the difference for the lay person. Eh?
Looking at what "Petros" would have meant to the Hellenized Jew, or what the Anglicized transliteration "Peter" meant to the KJV translators, here is some relevant information:
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Definition of surname
1 : an added name derived from occupation or other circumstance : nickname 1
2 : the name borne in common by members of a family
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Definition of sobriquet
: a descriptive name or epithet : nickname
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Synonyms for nicknames
epithet
moniker
sobriquet
style
tag
appellation
byname
byword
denomination
diminutive
handle
label
familiar name
pet name
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From Merriam-Webster site:
This synonym of nickname has the same meaning in modern French as it does in English. In Middle French, however, its earlier incarnation soubriquet referred to both a nickname and a tap under the chin. Centuries later, the connection between these two meanings isn't clear, but what is clear is that the "nickname" meaning of sobriquet was well established in French by the time English speakers borrowed the term in the mid-17th century - and was the only meaning that was adopted. In current English, the spelling sobriquet is most common, but soubriquet is also an accepted variant.
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It is clear that for the 16th to 17th century translator (Tyndale and the KJV translators) the word sobriquet was not in the English vocabulary, and "byname" is equivalent to "surname." In the context, "surname"is the reasonable, perhaps only, choice for the translators. However, since it is ambiguous, having two meanings, context shows that "bar Jona" fits the family association meaning of "surname", while "Petros/Peter" is a nickname, now known as a sobriquet. You will see that in writing, I ysed the equivalent non-family, non-occupational, non-reputational terms "label" and "tag" as equivalent to sobriquet, which is the correct term to apply to the byname "Peter."
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The Renewed Covenant is the only covenant there ever was, renewed in sinless blood, and written on the hearts of Yeshua’s bride.
If its not written on your heart, you obviously are not his!
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>> “The Pharisees kept the Law and yet Jesus continually condemned them.” <<
Obviously false!
The Pharisees kept only their own false law of Takanot and Ma’assim.
This is what Yeshua revealed to us through the synoptic gospels, as they were first written in the only language used by Yehova. (Hebrew)
The Greek translations thereof were somewhat twisted, since they were made by the same Pharisees that nullified Yehova’s laws in favor of their own.
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Your “Jesus” is not always Yehova’s only begotten Son Yeshua!
To put it as Nehemia Gordon did in his book: the Greek Jesus is not the Hebrew Yeshua.
You play with fire!
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>> “The name ‘Peter’ is just simply a convenient and uniquely irreproducible tag assigned by the foreknowing Master to distinguish him from all other Simon/Simeons favored with that identity. No more, no less.” <<
It also identifies one of Simon’s personality traits. He was clearly impulsive and stubborn, thus equated to a hard pebble.
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You posted scripture, aluding in your post that they supported your assertions.
They clearly did not.
That is why I used the word “twisted.”
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Truth appears twisted to the deceived.
Deception happens when you follow false prophets like Rood and his ilk.
Try reading Scripture for what it actually says, not through the Rood lens.
And we still often call people by their last names when there's the possibility of confusion about who we mean.
So Donald Trump becomes just Trump.
Well, sorta, but Trumps' sobriquet/nickname/pet name is "The Donald"; not his family name which is the patronymic.
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That’s just your assumption, a figurative ascription not supported by the lexicographers. You do not know the limitations of your expertise. Kepha has no figurative meaning associated with it.
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Thou fool!
That’s what you get for relying on the Greek club.
Petros has many figurative meanings, and that is the noun most used.
Truth never appears twisted in Yehova’s word due to the vast interlinkage of all scripture.
Who knows what your erroneous view contains.
(YMMV)
Your doing battle with your immaginary “Rood” figurine has left you painted into the adversary’s corner.
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Really, you just message me out of nowhere condemning me to Hell?
Look, I’m going to believe what Scripture ACTUALLY says, not some contorted version that insists that “not by works of the law” means “definitely by works of the law.”
Heck, if we’re to believe your insistence that the original language is Hebrew, Paul makes it even MORE clear that salvation is NOT by works of the Torah.
Really, you just message me out of nowhere condemning me to Hell?
Look, I’m going to believe what Scripture ACTUALLY says, not some contorted version that insists that “not by works of the law” means “definitely by works of the law.”
Heck, if we’re to believe your insistence that the original language is Hebrew, Paul makes it even MORE clear that salvation is NOT by works of the Torah.
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>> “Really, you just message me out of nowhere condemning me to Hell?” <<
Wow what an imagination! - What are you talking about?
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Lay off, ed. That’s all I’m gonna say.
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