Posted on 11/08/2023 12:11:15 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
Bring it up - Tony’s pretty good on some things.
That “private interpretation” argument is a strawman Catholics use to dismiss and discredit any interpretation THEY don’t agree with.
Most of Scripture is clear enough that it does not need to be “interpreted” for someone to understand. The only reason someone would have to”interpret” it is to make it mean something it does not say.
Simply reading it and taking the plain, clear meaning is enough to get the truth out of it.
Nor are there gazillions of interpretations of Scripture. Any one verse picked at random will not have as many interpretations as there are people on this planet.
Not only that, the way Catholics pick and choose what they want to believe and how they want to interpret both Scripture and the Catechism, makes that charge against non-Catholics ludicrous. Condemning someone else for things you all do yourself is called “hypocrisy”.
And I was raised Catholic and grew up in a very heavily Catholic community, and know how fast and loose Catholics can play with their interpretations to allow themselves all kinds of liberties.
What is replacement theology / supersessionism / fulfillment theology?
https://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html
There are two separate destinies for Israel and the Church of Christ.
You can say that again.
And Francis, of all people……
I wonder how many interpretations you can make out of “You shall not murder (or steal, or lie, or commit adultery).
How hard is it to understand “When you have done it to the least of these, my brothers, you have done it to Me”?
Seriously? That needs “interpreting???
You can’t argue with Scripture brother!
Amen!
Me too, but sometimes for the sake of the lurkers engagement is required.
Mr. James and I would always defer to The Lord’s Authority Supreme.
Why doesn’t the Catholic Church do that?
This all goes back to “Ye must be born again”.
It’s hard to even get there let alone allow The Spirit of God to work this miracle.
I can only imagine the sob stories we’ll witness at The Great White Throne Judgement.
“But my interpretation and that of my priest states...”
The Five Biggest Errors of Dispensationalism
1. CHURCH AGE. Dispensationalists would have us believe that the church age is but a parenthesis in history. In other words, the church age constituted an “interruption” in the fulfilment of the kingdom promises to Israel. But, Christ was not a sidelight. That idea is an abomination and an affront to our Lord Jesus Christ. The kingdom of Christ―the New Covenant/Christian Age―is in effect now (Matthew 16:19; Colossians 1:13) and has NO END. There are dozens of passages which prove that, including: 2 Samuel 7:13; Isaiah 9:7; Ezekiel 37:26; Daniel 2:44; 4:3, 34; 7:14, 27; Luke 1:31-33; Hebrews 5:6; 2 Peter 1:11; Revelation 1:6; 5:13; 11:15. Furthermore, the New Covenant and the gospel are eternal (Hebrews 12:28; 13:20; Revelation 14:6) and has universal application (John 3:16; Romans 1:16; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 1:21; Titus 2:11; 1 John 4:14; Revelation 5:9; 7:9).
2. DUAL COVENANT THEOLOGY. Dispensationalists think that Israel will re-emerge as pre-eminent among nations; they will again be God’s people in a unique sense. But, this conception of the future was obliterated with the teachings of Paul that all distinctions between Jew and Gentile have been broken down by the gospel (Galatians 3:28). And, the Bible is clear that the promises to Israel were contingent on obedience (Deuteronomy 28). The New Testament declares that all of God’s covenant promises were fulfilled in Jesus (Luke 1:54-55, 69-75; 2 Corinthians 1:20), the ultimate offspring of Abraham (Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16). The Jews failed the obedience test and the Old Covenant had a finite end (Matthew 21:18-19; 23:29-39; Romans 11:11-24; Hebrews 8:13; 10:8-10; etc.) The kingdom was taken from the Jews and given to another group, namely the church (Matthew 21:33-45)―melding a remnant of faithful Jews with believers in Christ (Romans 11:1-24; Galatians 3:28). The new Israel of God is no longer fleshly, natural Israel, but rather are those who have faith in Jesus Christ (John 1:12-13; 8:31-47; Romans 2:28-29; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:6-9, 25-29; 6:14-16; 1 Peter 2:4-10; etc.).
3. MISUNDERSTANDING THE LAST DAYS/END TIMES. There are 19 specific mentions of the last days or end times in the New Testament. Without exception, the writers of the New Testament declared that THEY were living in the last days (Acts 2:14-21; 1 Corinthians 7:19-21; 10:11; Hebrews 1:1-2; 9:26; 1 Peter 1:20; 4:7; 1 John 2:18; etc.) Thus, the last days/end times marked the end of the old covenant order, not the end of time or the end of the Christian Age.
4. INSISTENCE ON ALWAYS READING THE BIBLE LITERALLY. Just some questions: Should we literally hate our mother and father so that we can be Jesus’ disciple (Luke 14:26)? If your eye causes you to sin, should you literally pluck it out (Mark 9:47)? Is it necessary to literally eat Christ’s body in order to have life (John 6:53)? Did the mountains and the hills really break into song and the trees clap their hands (Isaiah 55:12)? When God judged Babylon according to Isaiah’s prophecy, an event fulfilled in actual history in 539 BC, did the stars and sun literally stop giving their light (Isaiah 13:10) and the heavens literally tremble (Isaiah 13:13)? When God judged Edom did the sky literally roll up like a scroll (Isaiah 34:4)? Why do you insist on a literal earthly kingdom when Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36)? Is the New Jerusalem literally a future city 1400 miles square that will hover over the Middle East like a space ship? Geeze. Especially this literal millennial stuff, if it wasn’t being taught in Christian churches, it would be considered science fiction!
5. FUTURIZING DANIEL’S 70 WEEKS. Here are things that cannot be found in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27: the Antichrist, a covenant being made with the Jews by Antichrist (then broken), a gap of 2,000 years between the 69th and 70th weeks, a post AD 70 rebuilt temple. If these things are not found in Daniel 9, dispensationalism crumbles. Daniel 9:27 is clear that the prophecy ended with the “end to sacrifice and offering” and the Abomination of Desolation (which Jesus told his first-century followers they would witness per Matthew 24:15). These things happened in real time in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed (Matthew 24:2, 34).
For more dispensationalism, go here:
https://prophecyquestions.com/category/dispensationalism
But you Preterists really think Nero created the Mark of the Beast and had the capabilities of fulfilling Revelation 13 on Chinese and Mayans back in the 60’s?
Go back home dude!
Doesn't look that way to me. Quite the contrary, in fact ... Looks to me like protestantism always defers to the God of the Bathroom Mirror.
Why doesn’t the Catholic Church do that?
Why haven't you stopped beating your wife yet?
You asked a dishonest question; it contains a falsehood as a premise.
I wonder when the 1,000 year reign of Christ happened then?
Seems like all the history I’ve ever read misses mentioning that.
You’ve got serious issues with what I stated above in the verses I posted straight from The Bible - From God’s Mouth to His People to write in my #69.
You don’t want to address them because you know I’m right.
And if you do accept them, than you cannot accept your Roman Religion.
We, True Believers in Christ - His Bride, don’t need any authority but Jesus.
This is burdensome for you. You posit nonsense in response.
We’re done...
That’s how I feel sometimes as well. I feel like a lot of the reason I’m here is to help others.
And just who does that?
I see that pathetic accusation lobbed about all the time and have yet to see any examples of people who actually believe that or do it.
According to Preterists we’re living in the Millennium “peaceful” Kingdom.
Have you looked around to see how well life is going right now?
As a Pastor recently put it, “We must be living in the Ghetto Areas of His Kingdom if it’s come back to Earth” - responding to Preterists.
Paul would disagree.
Prophecy Questions for Dispensationalists
1. What passage of Scripture do you find that Christ will come for his saints to take them off planet earth to heaven to avoid a great tribulation?
2. What’s the difference between Israel and the church? In other words, how were Old Testament Jews saved, compared to Jews today? Do you believe that there two covenants―one for Jews and one for others?
3. If the church age was only a parenthesis, why do so many passages teach that Jesus is head of the church and reigns as King of Kings now from heaven forever (Isaiah 9:6-7; Matthew 28:18; Luke 1:33; John 5:22; Acts 7:48-50; 10:36; 1 Corinthians 15:25; 1 Timothy 6:15; Hebrews 1:3; 8:1-4; Revelation 1:5; 3:21; 11:15; 19:16)?
4. If there is to be a re-built temple with animal sacrifices and rituals, wouldn’t that be denigrating to Christ’s ONCE-FOR-ALL sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10)?
5. If we are in the New Covenant era, which Scripture says is FOREVER (Hebrews 13:20; Revelation 14:6), why would God go back to a temple system of the Old Covenant which Paul called bondage (Galatians 4)?
6. If the land promise to Israel is forever and unconditional, why did God say it was conditional in Deuteronomy 28?
7. Wasn’t the kingdom taken from the Jews (Matthew 21:33-45) and given to another group, the “Israel of God” (Galatians 6:15-16)―those individuals, either Jew or Gentile, who believe (Matthew 3:7-12; 22:1-8; 23:29-24:2; Romans 2:28-29; 10:1-4; 11:17-21; Galatians 3:28-29, 4:24-31; Hebrews 8:13; 12:22-29)?
8. If God has two different plans for Jews and Gentiles, why does Paul say there isn’t any longer a distinction (Romans 10:12; Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:11)?
9. Don’t all the New Testament texts comparing Israel to a fig tree (ref. Jeremiah 24) point to Israel/Jerusalem’s destruction rather than its restoration (Matthew 21:19; Luke 13:6-9; 21:29-32)?
10. Do you believe two-thirds of the Jews will be slaughtered in a Holocaust II (John Walvoord’s book Israel in Prophecy)? If so, how can you call yourself pro-Israel? Isn’t this teaching based on one verse―Zechariah 13:8―yet the New Testament places the previous verse (13:7) squarely in the time of Christ (Mark 14:12; Hebrews 13:20)? Isn’t it clear enough that Zechariah 14:2 must refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70?
11. If the Bible is to be interpreted 100% literally, why are terms like “must shortly take place,” “soon,” “near,” “at hand” not read literally?
12. Where in the Bible do we find the words “seven-year tribulation?”
13. If the Great Tribulation was to was to be global, why did Jesus say to his followers that they could avoid it by fleeing to the mountains (Matthew 24:16)?
14. Is there a single verse that explicitly teaches that the antichrist with make a covenant with the Jews and then break it?
15. Didn’t John teach that the antichrist was already in the world when he was writing (1 John 4:4)?
16. Doesn’t the New Testament explain that while the physical temple was about to be destroyed (Matthew 24:2; 34), it was being replaced by the church with Christ as the cornerstone and Christians as the living stones (Ephesians 2:20-22; 1 Peter 2:4-8; Revelation 21:22)?
17. Doesn’t every mention of the last days/end times in the New Testament refer to the first century (Matthew 24:3, 14, 34; Acts 2:14-20; 1 Corinthians 7:29-31; 10:11; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Hebrews 1:2; 9:26; James 5:3-9; 1 Peter 1:5, 20; 4:7; 2 Peter 3:3; 1 John 2:18; Jude 18).
Here are MORE Questions for Dispensationalists?
https://prophecyquestions.com/2014/01/10/prophecy-questions-specifically-for-dispensationalists
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