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I hate to break it to you, but I am a conservative. I am more conservative than you could even imagine. Shutting down the borders is not a conservative opinion, it is a republican one. Do not mix the two.

And the republican party is using the fear mongering and misrepresentation that is typically reserved for liberals. The "Rape your daughter" line is the best one in this thread. Rapes, despite KKK propaganda typically occur along the same lines as serial killers. That is to say, within the same ethnic group.

Xenophobia, and innate ability to blame someone else for your problems is a trait you and the Nazis share. There is no arguing that.

Every time you pay taxes, your are affected by corrupt and inept politicians.

Which is why you want the laws equally enforced. A bad law should not applied at all. Not screw everyone equally. Our country was founded on immigration, it was built on immigrant labor. And you can go all the way back to the forefathers if you choose, but it isn't necessary. First the slaves, then the Chinese, Italians, Irish, Germans, Russians. It just so happens right now its Hispanic.

And you are no different than the bigots that used immigration control to slow the influx of those groups I named above. Hang an "Irish need not apply" sign on the door of your business and be done with it. Everybody deserves their shot at the American dream.

The phrases:
"They are criminals" "They won't learn the language" "They are parasites" can be found on propaganda from the time attack each one of those ethnic groups. And I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it wasn't true then, and it is not true now.

History will show you to be on the wrong side of this event.

Now you will go off into an "I'm not a bigot" tirade. But before you do, think about it, do you dislike those of another color? And while you hesitate, accept it.

I find it equally absurd that because there are criminals in foreign countries, every one of "them" is a criminal. There are criminals here, that makes you one.

Lets face the fact, you have your marching orders from the party, and you will oppose this. There is no debating you, because you use no facts, only misrepresentations. You are arguing like a liberal. And as you know, people only argue like that when they are wrong.

It is very hitleresque.

They are the source of our bad tax laws, our faulty Justice system, our welfare state, our deficit, and all of our crime.

Would it be OK if let them in as long as they wore a yellow star, Mein Fuher?

Honestly read what you are writing. This is not me playing a race card. It is what you are saying. Instead of blaming them and wasting your energy fighting this, why not fight to correct some of the problems that actually bother you. This is the typical logical of the "don't hit back" generations: Blame someone else for your problems, and then you are absolved of all wrong doing. YOU are a citizen, not a subject.

Then we would pay them. So they are too stupid to earn a living?

Corruption, Bribery, Murder, Rape, and DUI all happen here too.

"Send us your uneducated, your illiterate, your violent, illegally yearning to be on welfare" isn't quite what's on the Statue of Liberty.

It amazes me how you can sum up a national character with just a few taps of your keyboard. Despite your claims to the contrary, I doubt you have any experience with illegals, except for maybe granting them the opportunity to cut your grass.

Sarcasm is the key element.

"Placing one million of our 1.4 million would be a difficult task to say the least." I think you are confusing my above comment with someone that actually thinks it is necessary or possible.

"Posse Comitatus doesn't apply to our National Guard."

"The National Guard serves as a branch of the United States Armed Forces, under control of the Commander in Chief in practice, even though gubernatorial control is implied. This obviously places them under the purview of Posse Comitatus. It is not a question of if, but when this decision is made by the Supreme Court. The only reason it has not been struck down, is due to the fact that nobody has seen fit to challenge it." Excerpt from: From the Bench, Interviewing the Justices. In S Korea, Posse Comitiatus does not apply, because it is not sovereign US soil. Training would take about twelve weeks, because presumably they would be armed, and would have to be taught how to shoot, and learn the use of force continuum. I am not opposed to a wall. I am not opposed to a manned wall. I do not believe it will take a million men. (the technology is available to use thermal equipment so that fifteen men could easily control 150 mi.) I am opposed to a militarized wall. Civilian Law Enforcement can easily handle this job.

As you know, military installations breed development. Moments after a base is designated, there would be plans in the works for all the amenities. They would cease to be a hell hole.

I would like to point out that the US military is not a police organization. I would agree with something comprehensive, though.

A wall with civilian law enforcement patrols, amnesty for those here, willing to pay back taxes and a fine. As well as an immediate deportation for anyone illegally entering the country the first time, the second time a stiff prison sentence. However we would have to increase the number of people allowed to immigrate.

Since you can't separate a country and its people, you are anti-gun, pro-abortion, and anti-free speech. Your government is, so you must be too. I am to understand that correctly. Or do those standards not apply here?


They vote Dem, because we, as Republicans, are trying to throw the illegals out.

Yes I believe what is on the Statue of Liberty.

I thought they were taking American's jobs. If you allowed them to work on the books, they would. And then they are taxpayer.

It as not SS Fraud. Read your laws. What they do is "misuse of a social security card" that is the law they break. It is not "fraud" which is a first degree felony.

I know three people to be killed by drunk drivers. The drivers were all "upstanding" American college students. Should we deny them the Right to work. By the way, the college students were given six to eighteen months for reckless driving or involuntary manslaughter. What happened to the illegal? Still in prison, right?

But now is where you post back and say he stole a new ssn and disappeared.

You could allow them to be citizens and then *poof* they are taxpayers.

Just to clarify. I was suggesting that placing one million of our 1.4 million would be impossible. The militarization of any border is a bad idea in a free country.

Just a stat for you. The US military (all branches) has 1.4 million troops (including clerks, mess hall attendees, accountants, etc)

Putting a million of them on the border would be a difficult task to say the least. ;-)

"Low apprehension and conviction rates of criminals contribute significantly to the high crime rate" US State Department RE: Mexico

Sounds like shoddy police work, and corrupt officials in a Marxist Regime to me. Not a nation of criminals.

And you did not stick to the post, you bait and switch. Are these not the quality we are looking for in the Republican base? Yes or no?

"Blacks" should have been "blocks". I was trying to understand your motives.

While I understand if you do not want to go further into detail to spare my feelings, but what is my "kind"?

I have no proof, you got me. No sworn affidavits, no hidden cameras, no phone bugs. But it would seem that a person fleeing the area with a primary motive of engaging in capitalism is fleeing Marxism.

What you claim as SS fraud, is typically the adoption of either a fictitious SSN or one of immigrant, not the seeking of funds. Which is considered misuse of a "social security card" by statute, not fraud. While still a felony, it is a 3rd degree felony. and prior to the patriot act and accompanying laws about identification was a fine able misdemeanor. I would have to say Lex malla, lex nulla. Bad laws are no laws.

And consider that nobody is prosecuting these crimes, they are not in statistics. I'm sure that most people will admit the break a myriad of laws daily, unless they are prosecuted we can't really hold any form of debate about that. Ever drive drunk? Or what about legally intoxicated? Are you a felon?

I listed facts, you listed distorted opinions, or hammered a poorly tailored argument to refute my facts, which you didn't you only attacks my opinions. Which is fine.

And they are using billions of taxpayer dollars for social services, and they've shut down hospitals, they depress wages and they form a hostile and separatist faction with political lobby representation, they refuse to assimilate and learn the language.

Sadly, you are mistaken on everyone of these items. Billions is a gross over estimation. But, I will grant that they use social services (And if we want to get on this subject I will concede that the whole welfare entitlement system needs to be scrapped). However economic studies by Forbes shows that wages for American-born workers rise when there is an influx of foreigners. They cite areas in Florida where the wage increased for housekeepers to an average of $9.50 (more than two dollars) after the arrival of a foreign workforce. Shut down hospitals? Can't comment.
Don't learn the language or assimilate? Have you ever been to China town, little Italy, Boytan Beach? My great-grandfather spoke Gaelic till the day he died. I seem to have assimilated though. Maybe we have different views of separatism. Most separatists seek the government to leave, not recognition as citizens.

Suggestions gentlemen?

Why not email the DNC, claiming to be Democrats that are outraged by their view of the Bill of Rights?

Its too late. The image of my insides spilling out from laughter actually made me giggle. It was a very graphic image in my mind, too. I think this site is too addictive for me.

A terrorist, a criminal trying to sneak into bank, all kinds of criminals. I can see no legitimate reason to own this gun. It seems to be just made to be hidden,” McMahon said.

I used to work at a bank. I am so glad they weren't around back then, someone might have tried to rob the bank with one. I might have fallen down laughing and hurt myself. I'm no gun nut, but even I can tell that that my neighbor's kid's bb gun is more powerful.

"If I successfully break into your house, I have I earned a right to stay?"

That would depend on how sexy you are. lol. These people aren't coming here and squatting in your home, they are coming here and living in substandard housing, picking you fruit, cutting your grass, sweeping your floors, cleaning your bathrooms, and cooking your burgers.

If you break in, and do those things...well...uh...stay as long as you like.