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If it was just an accident that would be one thing, but
this guy was drunk.

Also a year and a half is NOT a toddler, that is a baby!

"So is life in prison."

Do you know how many lifers have escaped to kill again?

One is TOO MANY!

In addition, anyone who is truly educated on the death penalty knows that the death penalty is in no way a deterrent.

What a completely uneducated thing to say!

Please name one murderer who was put to death that murdered again?

Now that is what I call a deterrent!

You don't believe that a single 120mm mortar shell filled with blister agent can kill hundreds or thousands of people, do you?

No I don't, but what I am going by is the statement early on that Saddam had and could use weapons of mass destruction including chemical and biological weapons.

The nay-sayers kept saying that Bush had no proof that Saddam still had WMD's.

This evidence seems to back up the original statement. That is all that I am saying.

OK, time for my shameless plug:

We Don't Need No WMD's

"I can destroy your lungs, eyes, or your life with a screwdriver.

Is a screwdriver a WMD?"

A srewdriver can only injure one person at a time, a gas can injure many people in one instance. So since it could destroy the lungs, eyes, or lives of multiple people that makes it a WMD.

"It's absurd to lump chemical weapons in with (real) nukes or contagious biologicals."

In dealing with the Iraq war, chemical weapons were considered a WMD.

He said immediately following the war testing of tank trucks returned positive chemical readings and further tests showed it was fuel.

I heard that too! Things that make you go Hmmmm.

"For example I am deeply disapointed that there is no evidence for a link between al qaeda and saddam even though the president spoke about it on serveral occasions as fact."

There was some evidence, however circumstancial, that Al-Quada people had been in Baghdad for some unknown reason.

If they weren't involved with Iraq in some way, then why were they there?

Grasping at straws? - - - Maybe.

"36 ancient leaky 120mm shells with blister gas can't mass-destroy anything."

I consider ANY chemical weapon, a WMD. It can destroy people's lungs, eyes, or lives in the right amount.

That is close enough to a WMD for me.

"Really doesn't sound that exciting to me. Old stuff left over from an old war."

Weapons of Mass Destruction are Weapons of Mass Destruction no matter how old they are!

If these are WMD's, then there is the proof, I Hope!

OOPs, Thanks.

I searched "Iraq, chemical, weapon" and didn't find that post.

Possible WMD's Found In Iraq
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055308/posts

My apologies, I haven't been around FR for a while and must have blown my search attempt. There is a live report going on now on Fox.

I searched but haven't seen anything here.

OK, it says Saturday, but it sounded like breaking news when Fox just reported it and I didn't find anything on the Fox website on the first try.

Has this already been on FR?

Here it is:

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Danish and Icelandic troops have uncovered a cache of 36 shells buried in the Iraqi desert, and preliminary tests showed they contained a liquid blister agent, the Danish military said Saturday.

The 120mm mortar shells are thought to be left over from the eight-year war between Iraq and neighboring Iran, which ended in 1988, said U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt.

The shells were found by Danish engineering troops and Icelandic de-miners near Al Quarnah, north of the city of Basra (search) where Denmark's 410 troops are based, the Danish Army Operational Command said in a written statement.

The shells were wrapped in plastic but had been damaged, and they appeared to have been buried for at least 10 years, the statement said.

It said British experts did a preliminary test and said the shells contained "blister gas (search)," but did not elaborate.

Before the war, the United States alleged Iraq still had stockpiles of mustard gas (search), a World War I-era blister agent that is stored in liquid form. The chemical burns skin, eyes and the lungs.

U.S. intelligence officials also claimed Iraq had sarin (search), cyclosarin and VX, which are extremely deadly nerve agents.

"We're doing some preliminary tests to ensure that if they do contain any kind of blister agent that we can dispose of them properly," Kimmitt said.

The Danish military emphasized that the tests were not definitive. In the weeks after the Iraq war, the U.S.-led coalition found several caches that tested positive for mustard gas but later turned out to contain missile fuel or other chemicals.

Initial tests by field troops are designed to favor a positive reading, erring on the side of caution to protect soldiers. More sophisticated tests are often necessary.

Other discoveries early in the U.S.-led occupation turned out to be old caches that had already been tagged by United Nations inspectors and were scheduled for destruction.

Saddam Hussein's regime used chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers during that war and killed an estimated 5,000 Kurdish civilians in a chemical attack on the northern city of Halabja in 1988.

After the first Gulf War in 1991, a U.N. resolution called for the destruction of all Iraqi nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, as well as missiles with a range of more than 93 miles. The resolution set up a U.N. inspections commission to oversee the process.

The inspectors uncovered hidden nuclear and biological weapons programs in Iraq but found virtually nothing new after 1996. In 1998, Baghdad claimed it no longer had any banned weapons, accused the United States of spying and barred further inspections.

In 2002, President Bush accused Iraq of resurrecting its programs to develop weapons of mass destruction. After Bush called on the United Nations to pressure Iraq, Saddam agreed to let the inspectors return.

The inspectors worked for nearly four months but found no evidence of any of the weapons the Bush administration had alleged. Since the war, a nine-month search by a succession of U.S. teams has failed to find any current stockpiles of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

The lack of evidence has led critics to suggest the Bush administration either mishandled or exaggerated its knowledge of Iraq's alleged arsenal.

In October, Dutch marines found several dozen artillery shells dating from the 1991 Gulf War in the southern Iraqi town of Samawah, but the shells contained no biological or chemical agents. Samawah is 100 miles west of the southern region where the Danes discovered shells Saturday.

In April, U.S. troops found a dozen 55-gallon drums in an open field near the northern Iraqi town of Baiji.

Preliminary tests performed at the scene indicated one drum might contain the nerve agent cyclosarin and a blister agent that could be mustard gas. Tests later showed the barrel's contents were not chemical weapons.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108009,00.html

Nothing up on Fox News website yet, I just heard it on the Fox News Channel.

My heart is all a flutter!

Sitting in the dugout, Zimmer had a small bandage on the bridge of his nose. Later, he was smiling and laughing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1635910

My brother-in-law said you sox fans would have Don Zimmer wielding a knife before the day was over!

I told him during the game that Zimmer swung on Pedro.

Although I don't believe there was any need for what Pedro did.

If it were technically possible, as it undoubtedly will be someday, to gestate a late-term fetus artificially, would such a fetus thereby be a "person"?

If you say, "No," then you have just proven my point. Your definition of "personhood" is simply a construct you can adjust willy-nilly to justify the killing that you want to justify.

If you say, "Yes," then you are in the ludicrous position of claiming that a fetus living inside a womb is a non-person, but an identically-developed fetus living inside a jar connected to a machine is a person.

First off I don't believe gestation is the correct word in this case, and secondly you offer a question with no positive answer.

OK, no it's not a person because it is still "gestating".

Does the government have the right to tell people what they can and can't do with their own body?

If you say, "No," then you have just proven my point.

If you say, "Yes," then you are in the ludicrous position of claiming that the government can force people to do things to their body that they don't want to do for the good of society. If that's the case you can kiss freedom and democracy good-bye.

Are these the guys that run the animal shelters or a different group?

They have nothing to do with your local Humane Societies.

The HSUS offers guidelines and assistance to groups that want it.

Is this the same chain that includes Motel 6?

Yes it is, Accor owns Motel 6, Red Roof Inns and Studio 6.

Hotel Chain Ends Arrangement with HSUS
By Brian Carnell
Saturday, November 30, 2002

The Washington Times reported this week that the national Accor Economy Lodging hotel and motel chain has ended a partnership with the Human Society of the United States after receiving complaints from hunters.

http://www.animalrights.net/articles/2002/000363.html

Also from ESPN-Hotels end support of anti-hunting group: http://espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/2002/1106/1456841.html

I missed this one!

Like I've always said, sportsmen have to stick together.

Here is my letter to Accor Economy Lodging:

To: Accor Economy Lodging; George Le Mener, Kelley Johnson ( kjohnson@accorel.com )

Re: Thanks for Supporting Sportsmen

Thank you all at Accor Economy Lodging for supporting sportsmen and halting your association with the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). Supporting any program sponsored by an animal rights group, supports all of their policies as well.

The HSUS actively denies being an animal rights organization but they were one of the main sponsors of the 2001 Animal Rights Awards!

They can deny all they want, but in for a penny, in for a pound!

Thank you again for listening to the voices of sportsmen!  

Posted on Country Pond Fish and Game Club's News Page: http://www.countrypondfishandgameclub.com/nh_news.htm