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I’m not saying he was right with Bolton, although he did change his mind and became his champion later.

I’m saying people like you, people who would call a deeply devout man like Voinovich “crap,” you give conservatives a bad name.

And you show your real lack of intelligence that you can’t argue your points without resorting to such trash.

Did you really just call the senator, another Christian brother, “crap”?

I’ll pray for you.

i personally agree with you but it won’t fade any time soon. And priests can always learn latin!

This is fantastic. We should all send it to our friends, priests and bishops!!!

POST-MOTU PROPRIO: What Traditional Catholics Want After Promulgation

It appears certain that, in the coming days, our Holy Father will promulgate a motu proprio freeing the Traditional Latin Mass which was perfected in the sixth century and canonized in 1570 by Pope St. Pius V. However, without proper enforcement and enactment, it will mean little to traditional Catholics in their every day lives. Below is a respectful request to our prelates world wide upon its promulgation. Please pass along and spread the word:

1. That all traditional Catholics, upon its promulgation, welcome it with humility and joy and not a “we win” attitude; 2. That non-traditional Catholics see it less as an attack on the Novus Ordo Mass and liturgy but as an opportunity to grow their own Faith and return to the Church’s roots and the way of the Saints; 3. That our bishops accept it in joy and gladness and profound respect for the Holy Father and implement it fully and without hesitation understanding that, while we do not just “prefer” the Traditional Latin Mass but desire it exclusively, we also do not question the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass if it adheres fully to the rubrics of the new missal and absent of abuses; 4. That our bishops ensure at least one Traditional Latin Mass every day of the week, every week of the year; 5. That every priest who wishes to pray the Traditional Latin Mass, whether publicly or privately, be able to do so without threat or intimidation by his bishop or the lay people of the diocese; 6. That, if a diocese does not have a priest who wishes to pray the Traditional Latin Mass daily, the bishop work with a traditional group like the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) or the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP) to bring one of their priests into his diocese for this purpose; 7. That each and every diocese has at least one full parish that offers only the Traditional Latin Mass and Sacraments as well as the traditional Baltimore Catechism for the formation of traditional young Catholics; 8. That our bishops provide at least one traditional Catholic school per diocese in order that our children may receive a classical Catholic education focused on the traditional Faith and Sacraments; 9. That every bishop once a year confirms young, traditional Catholics into the Church in the traditional rite (which does not include a Mass during the ceremony); 10. That every diocese has at least one parish with more than one Traditional Latin Mass each Sunday so that traditional Catholics have a choice in Mass times like all other Catholics who assist at the Novus Ordo Mass; 11. That at least one parish have a priest who exclusively prays the Traditional Latin Mass and is not forced to “concelebrate” with Novus Ordo priests or confer new rite sacraments at another parish; 12. That there be no mixing of the rites – if 1962 is the year for which traditionalism is recognized, then nothing post-1962 should ever enter the Traditional Latin Mass, Sacraments or liturgy; 13. That the traditional calendar in place in 1962 is used in accordance with each and every Traditional Latin Mass; 14. That at least one Traditional Latin Mass is available on each and every Holy Day of Obligation in effect in 1962 according to the traditional calendar; 15. That every attempt is made by each bishop to bring any and all independent chapels or Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) chapels into full communion with him in his diocese. If they refuse, so be it, but at least make an honest attempt for the sake of the Faith.

Many bishops are already using the talking points that they already allow a Traditional Latin Mass and “there really just isn’t any interest.” That is because, in most cases, they grant only one Mass a Sunday, at an hour too late in the day for most to attend, in the worst neighborhood in town, without the traditional Sacraments or chance of a daily Mass. Once they make it impossible to survive, they tell the media no one wants “that old Mass.” Let’s pray they put these desires into action and see what kind of response they get.

While there is much more than this which is needed to finally bring the One True Faith back to its full glory in the future, this would be a wonderful and holy place to start once the motu proprio is promulgated. Let us pray that all Catholics, whether traditionally minded or not, welcome the wishes of the Holy Father and pray that this undertaking of his brings us closer together as we once were. Oremus pro invicem.

Here's the complete Latin to English missal for anyone worried about not understanding Latin.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1732/The_Mass.htm

Does anyone actually pay attention to Voinovich and his voting record or just his speech last year on Bolton? You all consider yourselves political minded, but you obviously don't know Voinovich: rabidly pro-life, led the effort to defeat embryonic stem cell research, co-sponsored the flag burning amendment, and on and on and on. So he had it wrong the first time on Bolton, oh well. It takes a real man to see the error of his ways, admit it, and change his mind. And he's not even up for reelection! Get off the Bolton thing and actually pay attention to what a man does EVERY day, not just one day.

no it can't. he can't get paid if he gets a second recess appointment

what people don't get is that Voinovich IS conservative on most things. Check out his website. He's recently voted to ban flag burning, gay marriage and stem cells.

SEN. VOINOVICH WILL VOTE TO ADVANCE ADULT, UMBILICAL CORD STEM CELL RESEARCH

WASHINGTON, D.C. — U.S. Senator George V. Voinovich (R-OH) today said he will vote to advance research into adult and umbilical cord stem cells and against redirecting money away from life-saving treatments and research. The votes are expected this afternoon. His statement follows:

“Today I will vote to pass legislation to expand the federal investment in adult and umbilical cord blood stem cell research as well as scientific ways to create embryonic stem cell lines without destroying human embryos. Removing stem cells from these embryos destroys their potential life and is something I cannot morally support. I am concerned that an overwhelming number of Americans do not understand that some of the most promising advances in medical research and treatment today are not attributed to embryonic stem cells. Rather, they are a result of the use of adult and umbilical blood cord cells. I’m puzzled why so many of my colleagues do not recognize this fact or deliberately respond to the forceful lobbying efforts that insist if we do not provide additional federal resources for embryonic stem cell research, we are not striving to cure life-threatening diseases. Unfortunately, many of the individuals who support embryonic stem cell research have been kept in the dark about the advances of umbilical and adult stem cell treatments.

“While embryonic cells have never been successfully used to treat even one disease, to date, adult stem cells have been used to treat 72 diseases such as breast cancer, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, sickle cell anemia, spinal cord injuries and many others. I am gravely concerned about the possible implications of spending taxpayer dollars on embryonic stem cell research that divides Americans on moral and ethical grounds. I believe it is my moral responsibility to direct the federal government’s dollars toward the areas of research that have the greatest near-term potential to help the largest number of Americans. I applaud President Bush for recently sending Congress the message that he will veto any bill that destroys life in the guise of research.”

** STEM CELL UPDATE **

U.S. Senator George V. Voinovich (R-OH)

As the debate over federal funding for stem cell research continues – a number of votes will most likely take place in the Senate on Tuesday, July 18 – I grow increasingly concerned that too many Americans are unaware that many of the most promising advances in medical research and treatment today are not attributed to embryonic stem cells. Rather, a great deal of the progress in the area of stem cell treatment and research is a result of the non-controversial, non-life ending use of adult and umbilical blood cord cells.

I would like to take this opportunity to provide an update on the progress scientists have made through the use of non-embryonic stem cells.

First, embryonic stems cells, as their name suggests, are derived from human embryos developed from eggs that have been fertilized in an in vitro fertilization clinic. Removing stem cells from these embryos destroys their potential life, making their use very controversial and something I cannot morally support.

On the other hand, adult stem cells are unspecialized cells found among specialized cells in mature tissues or organs. These cells can be gathered by scientist without any harm to the individual. Also included in this ethical category of stem cells are those from umbilical cord blood derived from the placenta of a newborn baby. Once considered medical waste and discarded after birth, science has determined that cord blood has the potential to save thousands of lives.

To date, adult stem cells have been used to treat 70 diseases such as breast cancer, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, sickle cell anemia, spinal cord injuries and many others. For example, a group of physicians have been able to reconstruct the bladders of seven patients with advanced bladder disease with the individual patients’ own progenitor cells. Another group of researchers, who discovered the benefit of adult stem cells in the repairing the heart, have treated 10 patients with their own bone marrow adult stem cells along with bypass surgery with extremely positive results.

In addition, I am further encouraged by recent reports from our nation’s scientists about the potential of obtaining embryonic-like stem cells without creating or harming human life.

Some of the most exciting advances in the past several months include:

The American Journal of Pathology reported that a group of scientists recently isolated a novel population of multipotent adult stem cells from human hair follicles which, like embryonic stem cells, express neural crest and neuron stem cell markers as well as the embryonic stem cell transcription factors;

A study included in the April issue of Stem Cells and Development suggests that human stem cells derived from bone marrow are predisposed to develop into a variety of nerve cell types. This could lead to adult stem cell-based therapies for the treatment of neurodegenerative disorders such as Parkinson's disease and multiple sclerosis; and

According to Nursing Home & Elder Business Week, umbilical cord blood stem cells can develop into cells that are very similar to lung cells. In the past, these cells have helped cure cystic fibrosis in some mouse models.

What too many Ohioans do not realize is that a great deal of promising research on adult and umbilical cord stem cells is happening right here in our state at Cleveland’s National Center for Regenerative Medicine. A partnership between Case Western Reserve University, the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals of Cleveland, the Center was established in 2003 to develop new adult stem cell therapies for patients suffering from chronic and debilitating diseases.

Currently, the Center has 10 on-going or planned clinic trials to further explore the use of stem cell therapies to reduce the risk of chemotherapy, treat certain heart conditions and improve umbilical stem cell treatment for leukemia. I recently had the privilege to hear two young Ohioans’ discuss the successful adult stem cell treatment they received at the Center for an aggressive form of leukemia and severely broken bone that would not heal with traditional treatment.

I have the greatest sympathy for patients and their families who continue to struggle with a wide range of painful and, sometimes, life-ending diseases. Yet, too often I fear, proponents of embryonic stem cell research provide those suffering and their loved ones with false or unproven promises of hope in terms of embryonic stem cells while ignoring the real and substantial progress that has been made with adult and blood cord treatments.

I am gravely concerned about the possible implications of spending taxpayer dollars on an issue like embryonic stem cell research that divides Americans on moral and ethical grounds. I believe it is my moral responsibility to direct the federal government’s dollars toward the areas of research that have the greatest near-term potential to help the largest number of Americans. In the current budget environment in which limited resources are available for federal medical research, I have concerns that increasing funding for embryonic stem cell research will take away opportunities for research in areas like adult and umbilical research — or even for research or treatment for specific diseases like cancer, juvenile diabetes or Parkinson’s disease — that have proven their usefulness.

Consequently, and in light of all the advances and results science has provided with adult and umbilical blood cord stem cells, I urge my colleagues to continue to direct federal funding towards the non-controversial and proven areas of adult and umbilical cord blood stem cell research. And I applaud President Bush for recently sending Congress the message that he will veto any bill that destroys life in the guise of research.



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Whether he is or not -- he IS a politician -- I still agree with him and will wrote Jeb on this.

Oh ya, that's why people get extra years for premeditated crimes then? If you think it's the authorities job to wait until kids die then act, you sadly are mistaken.

Who even cares? What does gay or straight have to do with this? We're talking about kids being at risk and you people are all fixated with who people want to sleep with. THIS is why these kids need the help of authorities!!!

They're at risk A.) because you are putting nude 11 year olds next to nude 18 year olds. B.) Because the added incentive to view NAKED kids is enough to attrack pedophiles to the camp. IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. People have snuck on, taken pictures of the kids and even touched them inappropriately. Or maybe that's not a big deal to u, as long as we don't have the government step in and do its job. God forbid.

Maybe that's because you don't have a problem with child molestation.

wa wa, personal abuse. my god, get a grip.

No, I'm not on his staff or in polotics. I just think he's right on this. And if that's a desperate attempt to win an argument, what's using words like "vicious miffed fag?" I think I can say what Jesus is thinking on that one.

It's not the kids that are the problem, or how they view nudism. It's the pedophile and predators that I'm concerned with. I don't care what rumors are -- all I know is this is important and I'm supporting him.

The only thing you're avoiding is common sense if you can't even bring yourself to admit that these kids are at risk. Or maybe you want them to stay at risk for personal reasons?

I think you have good points, but it's not the minds of nudists who we have to worry about. It's the minds of the child predators who have made their way into these camps. It's disaster waiting to happen.

There's nothing mild mannered about saying your less-government-or-nothing stance may ultimately hurt kids in this instance. You can't see the forest throught the trees because you're completely beholden on one set of beliefs. And don't tell me people don't speak on behalf of Jesus. What do you think priests and preachers do every sunday!?!?