Jack Black
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Is Q real?

Is the plan working?

Here is my future checklist (compiled and presented to the "ransomnote Qanon thread" of items which tend to indicate that the plan isn't working.

If we start rolling down that list with more and more of those events happening and still no counter-action then we have to assume that either "the plan" has failed, or that the people telling us to "trust the plan" were simply wrong.

Alternately seeing any of the major figures in the Deep State Coup arrested would be wonderful, not to mention whoever is on the 40,000 sealed indictments.

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I originally created this to try to demonstrate to the Q-believers that the Deep State was accomplishing their goal of indicting people associated with Trump, Russians, and those who helped the Russians, and those who helped the people around Trump. And were doing so very successfully.

This is not to mean that I am a fan of Mueller, or his tactics. Nor do I feel he has proved that there is any truth to the original matter he was set out to investigate, which was surely NOT corruption in the Taxi license business in New York City.

But, none the less he has racked up an impressive record of charging people based on the loose criteria described and gaining convictions or gulity please. So far, in every case excpet the Concord Consulting trial, which is ongoing.

If one assumes that the best defense is a good offense then Trump supporters have been looking for matching indictments against the Deep State Coup plotters.

It's my opinion that there is more than ample evidence to support such indictments, based on what we've learned from the House committee investigations, several OIG reports, and Judicial Watch FOIA requested data dumps.

None the less Wolfe remains the only scalp Team Trump has to show.

Q believers found this analysis incredibly irritating, and I eventually chose self-exile from their threads to avoid then endless stream of rude invective and insults directed at me from the believers.

I would like nothing less that this chart to be totally blown out by 40 Deep State indictments (much less the 40,000 Q-believers insist are coming).

But, just keepin' it real: This is what has actually happened to date.

My take is that the Deep State is a lot more effective at this prosecution stuff than Team Trump.

Paging US Attorney Huber, please pick up the white courtesy phone, you have a call from the American people.

Metric Revision 3
Update No. 12
Last Update 10/15/2018

Verifiable Event Based Scoring Metric
Mueller vs. Team Trump

JB EVENT-POINT SYSTEM
EVENT POINTS
Indictmnet for Lying 2
Indictment for Actual Crime 3
Guilty Plea or Conviction, Lying 4
Conviction for Actual Crime 5
Indictment of Russians in Russia zero

TEAM EVENT RESULT SCORE
Mueller Flynn Guilty Plea Lying 4
Mueller Papadapolis Guilty Plea Lying 4
Mueller Gates Guilty Plea fraud & lying 5
Mueller Evgeny Freidman Guilty Plea to Fraud 5
Mueller Alex Van Der Zwaan Guilty Plea, Lying 4
Mueller Paul Manafort Found Gulty & Guity Plea 5
Mueller Richard Pinedo, Guilty Plea, forgery 5
Mueller 13 Russians Indicted, in Russia 0
Mueller 2 Russian Companies Indicted, in Russia 0
Mueller Concorde Consulting Indicted, in USA 3
Mueller 12 Russian GRU officers Indicted, in Russia 0
Mueller Cohen Guilty Plea, Actual Crimes 5
Trump James A Wolfe Guilty Plea, Lying 4

TOTAL SCORE
Team Mueller 40
Team Trump 4

Notes:
1.Start date for Index is the date of Mueller appointment, May 17, 2017. Firings prior to that, or firings for matters unrelated the the Deep State Coup investigation and counter-investigation, are not included in the Index but are available on this link, and also included as a link from post #1 on all Qanon threads.

2. I have added Mueller's additional indictment of 12 Russian GRU agents as events, but assessed no points based on previous established points system. Most media outlets, even many MSM, pointed out that the indictments will never result in trials, and were mostly a PR stunt by Mueller.

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Previous to Version 3 the Verifiable Event Based Scoring Metric

included firings for cause. This caused a lot of debate from the Q-fanatics who claimed that I was massaging the data by not including person X. At one point one the FreeQs sent me this list, of all the people who *had* been fired. A real "AHA!" moment.

I did this work to check out those claims, they were semi-accurate. Some of these people clearly did leave a step before the ax. Others there is no indication of that.

Ultimately I felt that inclusion of any firings or resignations was weakening the usefulness of the EBSM, which, as the name implies, is an attempt to give a rigorous objective view of what has been done by the Deep State Coup and also by the Counter Coup.

Indictments matter, guilty pleas mattter, time in jail matters.

To give an example a scoundrel and weasel like John Dean, Whitehouse Counsel for Nixon, likes to pretend he was the good guy in Watergate, but in fact he is a convicted Felon, and merely traded ratting out other Nixon staff for less time in prison.

It's not a subjective opinion that he is a convicted felon.

That same statement goes for a bunch of people that Mueller has attacked.

Separated FBI Agents and DOJ Officials
AGENT or OFFICIAL CLAIM DATE REPORTED AS VERIFIED? NOTES: (FBI unless noted)
Jim Rybicki FIRED 1/23/2018 Resigned NO: NVAF Widely reported he resigned and left on good terms
James Baker FIRED 5/4/2018 Resigned YES: RTAF Resigned same day as Lisa Page..."amid controversy".Went to Lawfare blog.
Andrew McCabe FIRED 3/16/2018 Fired YES Widely reported as Fired
James Comey FIRED 5/9/2017 Fired NO: OOR Comey's firing was the pretext for appointing Mueller, not a reaction to it.
Lisa Page FIRED 5/5/2018 Resigned YES: RTAF skepticism at 'she resigned “voluntarily.”'
Mike Kortan FIRED 2/8/2018 Retired NO: NVAF FBI PR guy: Two more officials cited in FBI texts step down, (Note 1)
Josh Campbell FIRED 2/2/2018 Resigned NO: NVAF Resignation letter published in NY Times. (Note 3)
David Laufman FIRED 2/8/2018 Resigned YES: RTAF DoJ CounterIntel: Two more officials cited in FBI texts step down Also:Hugh Hewitt analysis"(Note 2)
John Carlin FIRED 9/27/2016 Resigned NO: OOR Head of DOJ National Security Div. Resigned before election.
Sally Yates FIRED 1/30/2017 Fired NO: OOR Not FBI, DOJ: Acting A.G.after Lynch - Fired for insubordination refusing to implement Muslim ban
Mary McCord FIRED 4/20/2017 Resigned. NO: NVAR Replaced John Carlin at DOJ NSD. One month notice given.
Rachel Brand FIRED 2/9/2018 Resigned NO: NVAF #3 at DOJ. Left for EVP job at WalMart.(Note 4)
Peter Strzok FIRED 8/13/2018 Fired YES Widely reported he was fired

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NIXVM Prosecutions The arrest of Clare Bronfman has solidified the proven connection between the NIXVM sex cult and the Democrats, both the Clintons and Sen. Kristen Gillibrand.

I've provided details on this, including links to various press articles in posts on the previous thread: here: #1833, here: #1856, and here: #1866.

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Name Crimes Status Notes
Keith Raniere sex trafficking, forced labor. no bail, Trial: Oct. 1. Cult Leader
Allison Mack sex trafficking, forced labor. Out on $5M bail, Trial: Oct. 1. "Smallville" actress, Cult 2nd leader
Clare Bronfman identity theft, money laundering, out on $100M bail Bronfman family ties to Clinton
Nancy Salzman identity theft, money laundering, Out on Bail, $5m Cult Co-founder
Lauren Salzman forced labor, extortion and wire fraud Out on Bail, $5M daughter of Nancy
Kathy Russel identity theft, money laundering, $25K bail not met, in jail NIXVM's bookeeper

Notes:
2. All five above also charged with running a criminal racketeering enterprise in the superseding indictment.

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Bagster, one of the main contributors on the Q threads has taken to debunking my comment. In the interest of fair play, here is a short compilation he made.

Debunking Jack Black

As you can see: we have our disagreements but his compendium is excellent, the easiest way to stay caught up (because the thread routinely goes to 1,500+ postings every couple of days:

http://freerepublic.com/~generally/

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A RESPONSE TO SOME CRITICISM OF THIS CHART

My posting of this chart on the Free Republic Q threads has resulted in quite a few people claiming that it is inherently biased against Trump. This is not the case, here I respond to one such critic (his complaints in italic as usual)

(why is there) No mention of Strzok firing?

Strzok was fired? Really? When? Because he was still an FBI employee when he was giving his public testimony to the House Select Committee a couple weeks ago, and the FBI even sent a couple attorneys to help him, right?

What about Page?

She wasn't fired, either. She resigned.

Ohr demotion?

As you say Ohr was not fired. As soon as they fire him, I'll add him.

Until then it's just a FBI job reassignment. Did he lose a pay-grade as a result of a publicly released OIG report? Is their any official public record of any sanction, other than he's no longer heading this or that section.

The fellow who *is* on my chart, Andrew McCabe was fired after a) the inspector general's report said he had lied and b) the Office of Professional Responsibility recommended he be fired. That's the gold standard in firings. Got any more like that?

Those are "objective facts". It happened, even the NY Times had to report that. That's what I'm looking for, which is why (besides the rare public firing for cause) I'm so focused on indictments, guilty pleas, trials, and convictions! These are indisputable objective facts. And I love them!

The fact that none of the top three conspirators you mentioned have actually been fired gets to exactly my point. Team Trump's public, objective, verifyable response to the wrong doing (really an attempt at a Coup) has been weak, very weak.

And I am on this thread every day, just like the rest of you so I am aware that there is according to Q a behind the scenes orchestration of a soon-to-come massive day of reckoning.

I look forward to it, as much as the rest of you. But I still think it's good to have some objective measure of what has actually happened to the people we think were doing nefarious things. (So far: not much)

Why haven't all these people been fired and charged with multiple crimes?

You mention:About a dozen other Govt officials (fbi doj).

Well, I have kept track and I am not aware of anyone other than McCabe being fired for wrong doing who is a major player in the Mueller / Deep State Coup attempt.

Yes, there was an exodus of people at the start of the Trump admin. You would agree that it's pretty normal for people to be let go at the start of an administration - and not always just the political apointees, but some of their deputies. I don't think people leaving the FBI or DOJ before Mueller was even appointed can be counted as a response to it.

I don't think James Comey's firing, which was sighted by almost everyone as the proximate cause of needing a independent counsel can be fairly counted as a response to the appointment of him.

Do I think it's great that all these people are gone? YES!

Do I think it's a good think that we acknowledge that Trump has gotten rid of a lot of bad people in the DOJ / FBI? YES? And I mention in my "notes" at the bottom of my chart that such a list in maintained and published at the top of every thread by Ransomnote (although looking just now I can't find it - the chart was restructured - I'll ask her to re-add it.).

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Civil War II -- the books

There is a rich literature of the USA breaking into Red and Blue partitions. People on this thread might enjoy some of these speculative fictional books:

People's Republic Series

SYNOPOSIS: The USA becomes ungovernable following the elecition of Hillary and a split is negotiated after relatively little fighting. The novels are set in the post-split states. Two books so far.

Enemies Foreign and Domestic series

SYNPOSIS: Written by long-time Freeper Matt Bracken this series jumps through time. The first volume recounts some of the events leading up to the split, the second two are set in post-split USA. The series is a cult classic among 'freedomistas', and has earned Bracken a reputation as a prophet, as many of the events foretold in the series have come to pass. Three books in series.

Unintended Consequences

SYNOPSIS: The grand-daddy of all freedomista dystopian novels about the split up of the USA, the book is a tour d'force that covers a lot of ground, with all sorts of details about guns, ammo, airplanes and other interesting topics. Another cult classic. Single volume.

Molon Labe

SYNOPSIS: Wyoming becomes the center for an American freedom movement, and eventually manages to pull off a split from America. The author Boston T. Party has written a number of other books including Boston T. Party's Gun Bible

Patriots by John Wesley Rowles

SYNOPSIS: Economic Collapse creates social collapse. One community of patriots survivalists have to deal with hordes of looters and gangs. Somewhat of a "how to" guide for survivalists as a novel. Influential in the "prepper" community.

A recent comment, that applies to many topics here on FR:

I think we should start looking at a gentle partition with much more autonomy for states. You've seen the left has already taken their pet issues and removed them from Federal jurisdiction: they voided anti-drug laws (with predictable consequences for bordering states). they have implemented "sanctuary city" (and counties, and states) laws to destroy our ability to protect ourselves.

Jerry Brown has said that California will go ahead and basically run their own foreign policy now that Trump has been elected.

So, we need to start asserting full control over some states and simply voiding Federal laws, working towards a new compact that removes many areas of contention from control by FedGov. For example, Section 8 and the many City Housing Authorities are terrible institutions that continuously work to "integrate" middle class (never upper class) neighborhoods with "diverse" "clients". This is nothing less than an attack on our people.

In the case we are talking about the parents had gone so far as to move out of Chicago to a suburb, but their special needs child was sucked into a relationship with a black criminal. They didn't move far enough, in other words.

We are running out of exurbs to run to to avoid "bad schools", so we need to start talking realistically about our RIGHT to self-determination, self-organization, and communities organized for OUR benefit and OUR kids benefit, that don't include special programs for blacks and other minorities, special Affirmative Action, or endless Soviet style thought control on the topic of blacks.

We need to acknowledge that integration isn't always good for us, and that we have a moral right to refuse to sacrifice our children's well being for in a vain (and proven ineffective) liberal scheme to lift up other people's kids. The Civil Right to voluntary association needs to be restored, and that part of the 1965 Civil Rights Act needs to be repealed. If not repealed, it should be ignored, in the same way Colorado, Washington and Oregon ignore federal drug laws with their legal pot shops.

Federal agents trying to enforce Federal laws against, for instance, housing covenants, should be arrested by local sheriffs and jailed in "Civil Rights Sanctuary States".

In summary I favor a gentle secession and voluntary cleansing of SOME AREAS with these United States of people who don't belong there by virtue of needing special help, having grievances with the majority that are unsolvable, have a history of anti-social violence, predatory behavior, and parasitic welfare dependency.

Don't provide it and they will leave.

This is the best case scenario that allows for some Safe Space for us in the Country we are still (barely) a majority in before we are swamped by the intentional demographic displacement being organized by the Deep State via wave immigration.

Once we become a functional minority, if we have failed to secure Safe Spaces for ourselves we can expect to be treated as well as the blacks in South Africa treat whites there.

That is not an acceptable inheritance to leave our grand kids.

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TO: Freeperdom
SUBJECT: Jack Black vs. Jack Black

Unfortunatley my screen name, which I have had since 1998, is also the name of a idiotic left-wing movie actor.

I was unaware of the existence of the movie actor Jack Black at the time I chose my handle here at Free Republic. Since becoming aware of him I don’t really like him. I’m not a fan of either his movies or his politics.

I chose the name Jack Black as an homage to the fine Tennessee sippin’ whiskey I was fond of at the time, but which I now no longer drink either.

I have considered changing my name, but I’m used to it. So I live with this little problem.

Thanks for your understanding.

Yours, the FReeper Jack Black

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Obama on Race:

From Dreams from My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams from My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams from My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams from My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams from My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attribute I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

From "The Audacity of Hope": 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

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La Raza and the Reconquista:

Armando Navarro, Prof. Ethnic Studies, UC Riverside at Latino Summit Response to Prop 187, UC Riverside, 1/1995

“These are the critical years for us as a Latino community. We’re in a state of transition. And that transformation is called ‘the browning of America’. Latinos are now becoming the majority. Because I know that time and history is on the side of the Chicano/Latino community. It is changing in the future and in the present the balance of power of this nation. It’s a game - it’s a game of power - who controls it. You (to MEChA students) are like the generals that command armies. We’re in a state of war. This Proposition 187 is a declaration of war against the Latino/Chicano community of this country. They know the demographics. They know that history and time is on our side. As one community, as one people, as one nation within a nation as the community that we are, the Chicano/Latino community of this nation. What this means is a transfer of power. It means control.”

The Takeover of America CD

LA Teacher Call for Revolt in USA

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Way back in the early days of the CWII ping list I used to occasionally post links to the book "Civil War Two" by Tom Chittum. It's not a fun or pleasant book to read, but he was a pioneer in discussion of this topic. So, I've decided to revive it on some threads.

Chittum had, before writing the book, survived and fought in both Rhodesia and Yugoslavia. So his thesis was informed by this experience - he believed that as societies fractured inevitably they did so along the most obvious fault lines: in some countries that is religion, in others ethnic groups (such as in Yugoslavia were Croates fought Serbs fought Bosnians ...etc. His view was that the largest fault line in American is race, so that inevitably when Civil War comes to the USA it will be primarily along racial lines.

It's interesting at least in this case (antifa vs. MAGA) that's not how it's happening at this time.

The book closes with a "checklist" of items that indicate the Civil War is getting closer. I'll highlight those that apply.

For those who are interested, here is a link to the book on Amazon. (It is out of print for a while, prices reflect that there is still demand for it.)

It's also available on-line to read in PDF format here: Civil War 2: The Coming Breakup of America

OK, with all that background let's get to the Checklist items, and see, how are we doing on the run up to CWII?

Item 2: If illegal aliens are allowed to vote, even in local elections, it will be another unmistakable signal that American citizenship, and therefore America itself, is finished. If the millions of illegal aliens in America are granted amnesty and get the vote, it will mean open immigration and a giant step towards Civil War II.

Item 9: Watch for further replacement of individual rights by group rights, group rights based on ethnic group. Empires employ this method to enlist certain favored groups in suppressing the others, and racist affirmative action is a classic example of this replacement of our rights as individuals by a race-based system of penalties and special privileges. Then the powers that be have only to pay off the leaders of these favored groups, a relatively easy task. Every time you hear the racist euphemism affirmative action, think Civil War II.

Item 13: Watch for minorities and radical whites to continue to seize control of American institutions. Our courts, schools, universities, the media, many churches, and many unions have been completely or partially taken over, and politically incorrect dissidents expelled or intimidated into silence.

OK, well that's it for now!

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My Guide to Buying Precious Metals Cheap by Jack Black

This guide summarizes my knowledge of the market for small scale precious metal buying gained over the last few years. Anyone concerned about Goldline might better understand where they fit into the "value heirarchy" by reading this (hopefully). The scale of the value of gold coins is based on rarity.

  • At one end are old, rare coins in excellent shape. If you know a lot and the market for rarities goes up you can do very well with these. I don't know enough to invest in those, I'm not really interested in understanding the differences between grades like Fine, Very Good and their impact on price, etc. etc.

  • Next highest cost over the "melt value" of the metal are "special" newly minted coins. These are sometimes called "proofs" "first strikes" or other fancy names. Basically these are made by the same mints producing "ordinary" new coins, but are special in the excellence of their early manufacture or some other way. Again, you are depending on a collectors market existing at some future point for these mass produced "rare" objects. Sometimes they do. Various Chinese Panda's and strage Austrailian proofs already do fetch a higher permium today than they did 10 years ago. Again, I'm too lazy to try to learn all that and figure it out.

  • Next up are "bullion coins". While they may have very pleasing designs, the makers are not selling them as collectible or rare, but merely as easily accessable and nicely crafted way to buy the underlying metal. The most famous of this type is the American Eagle, which comes in both silver and gold varations. You can easily figure out how much you are getting charged for the mint's coinage by subtracting the spot price of the gold from the price of the coin, or by comparing the different countries coins. There is a pretty standard heirarchy at this point that goes something like this for gold:

    • American Buffalo
    • American Eagle
    • Canadian Maple Leaf
    • Austrian Phillharmonic
    • South African Krugerrand

    See Table 1 for the typical premiums paid based on coin type

    There *are* small differences in the purity of some of these coins. Because of heritage of coins as "stuff people carried around" some of them are alloyed with other metals,which makes them harder (resistant to scratching). At todays price no one carries around gold, and they come packed in protective plastic, so it's more a historic anomoly. In every case if it says 1oz gold you are getting 1oz of Gold *plus* some small amount of the alloy metal. Some people like this. In general the trend is towards .999 (or .9999 which is almost the same) purity and no alloy material. Here is the list with alloy described:

    • American Buffalo -.999 purity gold
    • American Eagle - .9167 purity Gold, 3% Silver, 5.33% Copper
    • Canadian Maple Leaf -.999 purity gold
    • Austrian Phillharmonic -.999 purity gold
    • South African Krugerrand -.9167 purity Gold, 8.3% copper purity

    • .9167 is also known as 22 karat or 'crown gold' and has a long history as a durable coin formula

  • At the very bottom of the premium charged over the cost of the metal are "generic" or "private label" bullion. These are very similar to the coins listed above, only they have done away with a government mint and just have the name of the private organization that made them. Who do you trust more to assess the purity of your coins? The US Mint or Bank Suisse? Your call, but the market has determined the premium for generics is lower than even for bullion coins.

    All generic gold bars are .999 purity and un-alloyed with any other metal.

    For whatever reason generic bullion silver is often made as coins (but having no nominal value as currency is marketed as "rounds"), while generic gold is almost always sold in the shape of very small gold bars.

  • One other factor effecting cost is the size of the round or bar. One troy ounce is kinda the standard. As you go down in size and buy smaller coin's (called "fractionals") the cost over the spot price (or melt value, if you prefer) goes up. Gold coins typically come in 1oz, 1/2oz, 1/4oz 1/10th oz and sometimes 1/20th oz sizes. The small generic gold bars come in those sizes and also metric sizes like 1gram, 5gram and 10gram.

  • Most generic sliver comes in 1oz rounds, and larger bar sizes (10oz, 100oz).

    You can easily figure out how much more buying the small coins costs by doing the math, but I've done it for you in Table 2 below.

  • Most of the lower cost suppliers don't like taking credit cards. They perfer checks, cashiers checks or wire transfers. Some will also sell by credit card, but have higher prices.

So, in summary the cheapest easy way to buy precious metals while paying the lowest cost is to buy generic 1 oz gold bars or silver rounds. If you prefer the security of government validation buy 1 oz bullion coins with no claimed special collectors value.

If $1300 for a gold coin is way to much the buy fractionals, knowing you are paying more per oz for the privilige of getting smaller coins. (You will get most of this back when you sell them.)

Table 1: Premium Paid for Gold Coins/Bars by Type
Coin Type Price Per 1 Oz. Coin Premium over spot
Spot Price $1179.00 $0
Maple Leaf $1236.90 $57.90
American Eagle $1272.24 $93.24
American Buffalo $1260.46 $81.46
Krugerrand $1260.46 $81.46
Austrian Philharmonic $1231.01 $52.01
Generic Bar $1203.00 $24.00
Note: All data from Kitco Web Store 5/22/10


Table 2: Premium Paid for Gold Coins by Size
Gold Eagle Size Price Per Unit Cost per oz. Premium over spot
Spot Price ... $1179.00 $0
1 Oz. $1244.60 $1244.60 $65.60
1/2 Oz. $659.30 $1318.60 $139.60
1/4 Oz. $343.90 $1375.60 $196.60
1/10th Oz. $145.96 $1459.60 $280.60
NOTE: All prices based on NWT Mint cash bulk prices as of 5/22/10

Meanwhile here are sources for low cost bullion I have used with success.

APMEX (American Precious Metals Exchange) - Good prices and selection for both Silver and Gold. Carry all the standard bullion coins (Eagles, Maple Leafs, etc.) in most sizes. Credit cards accepted.

br>one oz. American Gold Buffalo

KITCOAbout the same prices and selection as above. Slightly better prices sometimes. Also have house brand bullion products at a very low markup. No credit cards. Best web site for bullion price charts!


one oz. Kitco generic gold bar

UPDATE: The section on Northwest Territorial Mint has been deleted. They went bankrupt in April of 2016, and in the process took a lot of people's money.

There were two ways that their clients lost money, both of which are worth thinking about. The first was people were using the facility for a "safe storage facility". Well, it wasn't. They were selling and leasing people's gold and it just wasn't there.

The second was the long time between delivery and receipt on silver orders from them. Time frames often went to 12 weeks. So, a lot of people who ordered and paid for PM's but not received the product were caught in the bankruptcy and will not be getting either their money back or their bullion.

Two general thoughts come out of this: a good local dealer is a great place to buy PM's. A slightly higher price is offset by the joy of walking out with your gold or silver in you hot little hand.

And, as for storage, 1/10th ounce gold coins are worth about $200 a piece and the size of a dime. Should not be very hard to put them someplace safe.

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About the CWII Ping List

You call it, I make it happen.

Here's your CWII Ping@! Tradition dictates whenever a thread has one or more references to a future civil war we ping hte list.

This thread qualifies!

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

Of course sometimes this is merely a figure of speech, such as "The Tea Parties are fighting a civil war for the heart of the GOP". This would not merit a CWII ping.

On the other hand someone saying something like "The events in California are reminiscent of what happened in Yugoslavia in the period proceeding the Civil War" would merit a ping.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII".
Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

Here is a thoughtful article about what might CWII look like by Matthew Bracken. The CW2 Cube: Mapping the Meta-terrain

The CWII ping list, is maintained by Archy, Travis and I. At the request of one member I have decided to keep it in a less public place than here. Please send Travis or I mail if you would like to be updated. (Archy has been very busy driving tanks around lately ...)

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