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The lraq-Money 3-Step [Clark just another symptom of Ds' basic problem]
NY Post | 9.27.03 | Peter Beinart

Posted on 09/27/2003 10:49:29 AM PDT by Mia T

The lraq-Money 3-Step

You can dress up the Democratic Party in whatever uniform you want, it still doesn't have a strategy for the defining challenge of our time.

A WEEK into his presidential bid, Wesley Clark looks less like the Democrats' solution than another symptom of their basic problem. That problem is that much of the Democratic base still doesn't take national security seriously.

Sure, Democrats know that most Americans don't trust the party to keep them safe. But they deny that this distrust has anything to do with prevailing Democratic ideology. The party, they reassure themselves, merely needs a tougher image.

And so Democrats keep trying to find new, ever more Rambo-like personas to proclaim essentially the same message. First, there was John Kerry, whose Vietnam heroism supposedly inoculated him against GOP attacks, his incoherent Iraq position notwithstanding. Now, there is Gen. Clark.

Maybe Clark does indeed have a proactive, coherent national-security message. But with his Kerry-esque, have-it-both-ways position on Iraq, he certainly hasn't articulated that message. And many of the Democrats who cheered Clark's entrance into the race don't particularly care: For them, Clark's resumé is the message.

Once again, the Democrats are trying to solve an ideological problem with a biographical solution. It didn't work for decorated World War II flying ace George McGovern; it didn't work for Vietnam triple-amputee Max Cleland. And it won't work next fall. The voters actually care what the parties believe.

In fact, at the very moment Democrats are swooning over Clark, the party's views on Iraq are growing even more confused.

Throughout the summer, Democrats rightly slammed the Bush administration for minimizing the diffictilty of rebuilding Iraq. "It's been hide the ball every step of the way," fumed Sen. Kent Conrad in July. "They've consistently overstated the cost by a factor of severalfold." Two weeks later, Office of Management and Budget chief Joshua Bolten's refusal to estimate the costs of occupation led Sen. Joseph Biden to ask, "When are you guys starting [sic] to be honest with us?"

Biden got his answer on Sept. 7. That night, President Bush did what Democrats had been demanding: He abandoned the fiction that Iraq could be rebuilt on the cheap. His $87 billion request even included new money for Afghanistan, where Democrats had hammered his insufficient commitment to nation-building.

You'd think Democrats would have applauded the president's conversion, perhaps even claimed credit for it. Instead, leading Democrats responded to Bush's U-turn with one of their own.

With the polls showing that a majority of Americans, and a huge majority of Democrats, don't want to spend more money on Iraq, prominent Democrats decided Bush was too committed to nation-building. Almost overnight, it was Democrats who wanted to reconstruct Iraq on the cheap.

Democrats support the $51 billion Bush has requested for Iraqi military operations. But they want him to separate that from the roughly $20 billion he has requested for rebuilding Iraq's hospitals, electrical grid, and police. Ask whether they support that latter request, and Democrats give three responses, each more dishonest and opportunistic than the last.

  • Dodge No. 1: The administration should be spending the money at home.

As Kerry said at the Sept 9 Congressional Black Caucus debate, "If we can open firehouses in Baghdad, we can keep them open in the United States."

Yes, if we repealed the tax cuts, perhaps we could. But that's not going to happen, so Democrats have to decide whether to support large sums for Iraqi nation-building, even though their constituents won't get the domestic spending they prefer. At the end of the day, Kerry will probably vote yes. But his debate answer pandered to an audience that wanted to hear him say no.

  • Dodge No. 2: Democrats can't evaluate Bush's request without more information.

At the CBC debate, John Edwards said he wouldn't vote yes "without the president telling us how much this is going to cost over the long term, how long we're going to be there, and who is going to share the, cost with us." But this isn't a position; it's a dodge.

We already know who is going to share the cost with us: almost nobody. Estimates suggest the Bush administration will receive roughly 10 percent of the international aid it wants for Iraq. That's awful - and at least partly the Bushies' fault. But, if anything, it's reason for Democrats - if they're serious about succeeding in Iraq - to demand more than $20 billion in U.S. aid.

Edwards also wants to know "how much this is going to cost over the long term" and "how long we're going to be there." Those questions can't be full answered; even if they could, what di ference would it make? Edwards has all the information he needs to make a decision on Bush's budget request right now. Liberal internationalism says he should vote yes; the Democratic base says he should vote no. His demand for plans, estimates and timetables is a device to avoid choosing between the two.

  • Dodge No. 3: Equate reconstructing Iraq with lining Dick Cheney's pockets.

"I will not support a dime to protect the profits of Halliburton in Iraq," proclaimed Bob Graham at the CBC debate. But, for better or worse, rebuilding Iraq and securing Halliburton's profits are now intimately connected, and it is not exactly a sign of foreign-policy seriousness to propose abandoning the former in order to prevent the latter.

These three nonresponses to Bush's budget request expose the shallowness of what passes for Democratic national security doctrine.

If Democrats had a distinct post-9/11 vision, it was partly that the War on Terrorism required a Marshall Plan as well as a Truman Doctrine: We needed to build schools in the Muslim world, not just crack skulls. Yet now, with the Bush administration. finally recognizing that defeating terrorism requires making sure Iraqis have electricity and clean water, the Democratic presidential candidates are looking for any excuse to avoid saying yes.

Pandering to public isolationism may make short-term political sense, but, in the long-term, it will simply confirm what many Americans already believe: You can dress up the Democratic Party in whatever uniform you want, it still doesn't have a strategy for the defining challenge of our time.

 

Peter Beinart is editor of The New Republic. From the Oct. 6 TNR

 

 



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Democratic Party's Problem Transcends Its Anti-War Contingent


Mia T, 5.5.03

 

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by Mia T, 4.6.03

 

If Act I was a thinly veiled allegory about naked clintonism, then Act II is a parable about the plan for world domination by the Establishment, aged hippies in pinstripes all, with their infantile, solipsistic world view amazingly untouched by time.

 

Mia T, THE ALIENS

 

Al From is sounding the alarm. "Unless we convince Americans that Democrats are strong on national security," he warns his party, "Democrats will continue to lose elections."

Helloooo? That the Democrats have to be spoon-fed what should be axiomatic post-9/11 is, in and of itself, incontrovertible proof that From's advice is insufficient to solve their problem.

From's failure to fully lay out the nature of the Democrats' problem is not surprising: he is the guy who helped seal his party's fate. It was his Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) that institutionalized the proximate cause of the problem, clintonism, and legitimized its two eponymic provincial operators on the national stage. The "Third Way" and "triangulation" don't come from the same Latin root for no reason.

That "convince" is From's operative word underscores the Democrats' dilemma. Nine-eleven was transformative. It is no longer sufficient merely to convince. One must demonstrate, demonstrate convincingly, if you will… which means both in real time and historically.

When it comes to national security, Americans will no longer take any chances. Turning the turn of phrase back on itself, the era of the Placebo President is over. (Incidentally, the oft-quote out-of-context sentence fragment alluded to here transformed meaningless clinton triangulation into a meaningful if deceptive soundbite.)

Although From is loath to admit it -- the terror in his eyes belies his facile solution -- the Democratic party's problem transcends its anti-war contingent.

With a philosophy that relinquishes our national sovereignty -- and relinquishes it reflexively… and to the UN no less -- the Democratic party is, by definition, the party of national insecurity.

With policy ruled by pathologic self-interest -- witness the "Lieberman Paradigm," Kerry's "regime change" bon mot (gone bad), Edwards' and the clintons' brazen echoes thereof (or, alternatively, Pelosi's less strident wartime non-putdown putdown)… and, of course, the clincher -- eight years of the clintons' infantilism, grotesquerie and utter failure -- the Democratic party is, historically and in real time, the party of national insecurity.

The Democrats used to be able to wallpaper their national insecurity with dollars and demogoguery. But that was before 9/11.

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1 posted on 09/27/2003 10:49:30 AM PDT by Mia T
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BUSH: "I will not wait on events, while dangers gather."

 

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This country has many challenges. We will not deny, we will not ignore, we will not pass along our problems to other Congresses, to other presidents, and other generations. (Applause.) We will confront them with focus and clarity and courage...

Sending Americans into battle is the most profound decision a President can make. The technologies of war have changed; the risks and suffering of war have not. For the brave Americans who bear the risk, no victory is free from sorrow. This nation fights reluctantly, because we know the cost and we dread the days of mourning that always come.

We seek peace. We strive for peace. And sometimes peace must be defended. A future lived at the mercy of terrible threats is no peace at all. If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means -- sparing, in every way we can, the innocent. And if war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military -- and we will prevail. (Applause.)

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2 posted on 09/27/2003 10:53:30 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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To: WorkingClassFilth; Gail Wynand; looscannon; Lonesome in Massachussets; IVote2; Slyfox; ...
"I AM NOT A MILITARY MAN"

(indeed)
PING

3 posted on 09/27/2003 10:57:42 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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To: Mia T
Once again, the Democrats are trying to solve an ideological problem with a biographical solution. It didn't work for decorated World War II flying ace George McGovern; it didn't work for Vietnam triple-amputee Max Cleland. And it won't work next fall. The voters actually care what the parties believe.

That's interesting.  Thanks Mia.


4 posted on 09/27/2003 11:06:36 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Mia T
"Peter Beinart is editor of The New Republic. From the Oct. 6 TNR'

Well, Mia, you are a tough act to follow, but I will just point out, Peter Beinart, man of the left! The New Republic, wrong on everything except Israel and the Muslim terrorists. They had some of the very best writing on Sept. 11th and the aftermath, including the "anti-architecture" piece by Leon Wiesalther (sp?) that was one of the best things I've ever read, in my life.

If the Dems aren't fooling TNR, they're not fooling anyone. Thank heavens for that!

5 posted on 09/27/2003 11:07:38 AM PDT by jocon307 (Moving to New Zealand soon (apologies to F. Zappa))
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To: Mia T
Clark, another mealy-mouthed general.
6 posted on 09/27/2003 11:08:31 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Mia T
Hello Mia
thanks for the ping
& bttt
7 posted on 09/27/2003 11:35:20 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Mia T
"That problem is that much of the Democratic base still doesn't take national security seriously."

This would indeed embody him as the second coming of Clinton, only Clinton with a bloody mindedness that'll turn this country into another UN dictatorship. Don't forget, the Clinton administration only ordered the tanks. Clark provided those tanks.

"First, there was John Kerry, whose Vietnam heroism supposedly inoculated him against GOP attacks, his incoherent Iraq position notwithstanding."

Correction: his alleged Vietnam heroism couldn't insulate him from his fake medal tossing protest or his complete lie to congress about war crimes committed by American troops. Kerry's seen as a worm of the worst sort by most of his fellow Vietnam vets. His vote for military force which he said he didn't mean to be a vote for military force was only the icing on the cake.

"Maybe Clark does indeed have a proactive, coherent national-security message. But with his Kerry-esque, have-it-both-ways position on Iraq, he certainly hasn't articulated that message"

Maybe he'll order an attack on the Russians and turn military barracks into commune-like dormitories...oh wait, he's already done that.

"They've consistently overstated the cost by a factor of severalfold."

"That night, President Bush did what Democrats had been demanding: He abandoned the fiction that Iraq could be rebuilt on the cheap. His $87 billion request even included new money for Afghanistan, where Democrats had hammered his insufficient commitment to nation-building....."

First, that would mean they were mad because he UNDERSTATED, not OVERSTATED the cost, and sedond, that they're mad he didn't ask for ENOUGH money even while complaining that THIRD he asked for too much.

Yep, sounds like Democrats alright.

"We already know who is going to share the cost with us: almost nobody. Estimates suggest the Bush administration will receive roughly 10 percent of the international aid it wants for Iraq. That's awful - and at least partly the Bushies' fault"

Yeah, when UNweenies were getting jollies and headlines by calling a moron and comparing him to Hitler, he should have smiled, nodded, bent over and grabbed his ankles, then everyone would have been happy with him.

" 'I will not support a dime to protect the profits of Halliburton in Iraq,' proclaimed Bob Graham at the CBC debate. But, for better or worse, rebuilding Iraq and securing Halliburton's profits are now intimately connected, and it is not exactly a sign of foreign-policy seriousness to propose abandoning the former in order to prevent the latter."

The fringes of both sides of the aisle love that phrase though. The more intelligent among them would understand that abandoning a formerly terrorist country to the loving ministrations of other terrorist countries is suicidal. Dean, Kerry and Graham no doubt prefer we spend each dime to line the pockets of Total Fina Elf instead. At least Halliburton is an American company.

"If Democrats had a distinct post-9/11 vision, it was partly that the War on Terrorism required a Marshall Plan as well as a Truman Doctrine: We needed to build schools in the Muslim world, not just crack skulls. Yet now, with the Bush administration. finally recognizing that defeating terrorism requires making sure Iraqis have electricity and clean water, the Democratic presidential candidates are looking for any excuse to avoid saying yes."

The Bush administration recognized the need to rebuild right from the beginning, though it had underestimated the decay of infrastructure under Saddam. The basic sentiment is true though.

8 posted on 09/27/2003 11:38:32 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Mia T
My take on some of this is that they fear Ralph Nader's return in 04.


9 posted on 09/27/2003 11:44:12 AM PDT by Helms ("Nietzsche's critique of ressentiment - the "self-poisoned mind" - fits Islam like a glove")
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To: Mia T
Your post makes a valid point: we know what the dems are against, but we do not know what the dems are for. Oh sure, the dems spout their litany of being "for the underdog," but who is not? The dems have no plan except to increase spending and increase taxation.

List one democrat who favors downsizing the non-military Federal Payroll. Downsizing is what the rest of our Nation is using to keep our economy viable, so it makes sense for the Feds to downsize also.

A non-military Federal hiring freeze would be a good start, as normal yearly attrition is about 5 percent for most organizations.
10 posted on 09/27/2003 1:53:21 PM PDT by Graewoulf
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To: Mia T
...all, with their infantile, solipsistic world view amazingly untouched by time.

Or events.

5.56mm

11 posted on 09/27/2003 2:22:20 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Mia T
<< Al From is sounding the alarm. "Unless we convince Americans that Democrats are strong on national security," he warns his party, "Democrats will continue to lose elections." >>

And therein, thank God, lies the indicator of the "DemocRATic" party's future.

As more and more people are internet connected -- and internet informed -- and as talk radio's voices reach into more and more of the previously innaccessable-to-reason societal cracks and crevasses peopled only by the "DemocRATS" Bottom-of-the-Bell-Curve Base -- the dims abilities to get away unquestioned with lying to those too damned stupid and too damned ignorant to know if and/or when they are being lied to -- and/or are too damned mean-spirited and/or greedy to care -- have been eroded beyond the point at which, short of fraudulently creating another thirty million or so drivers'-license-issued-criminal-alien "votes," the dims -- nationally at first and then on down through every level of government -- can reverse the trend.

Hence their fevered and foam-flecked attempts to flesh out their delusion they can; by inserting such moral and intellectual little people as the Als Franken and Goreleone into the talk radio mix; compete outside of BarbAra Streisand's ugly joint and beyond her even uglier IQ grouping, in the marketplace of ideas.

And their even more fevered and foam-flecked -- and dangerous and nakedly totalitarian -- attempts to revive their fascistic "fairness" doctrine.
12 posted on 09/28/2003 2:06:50 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jocon307
Do you have a link to the Wieseltier piece? (Is it The Fall?) TNR access is by subscription only..

Wieseltier is apparently that rare leftist: rational, patriotic, honest, courageous; willing to articulate the evil that is clinton....

 

The Pro-War Argument
Leon Wieseltier
Literary Editor, The New Republic


Leon Wieseltier

I think that Bill Clinton will go to hell for taking two and a half years to get into Bosnia after not doing anything at all about Rwanda.

There are two questions, I think, that all of us have been pondering. The first one is why is the Bush Administration proposing to launch this war? The second question is, should this war be launched? Theyíre not the same question. Sometimes somebody that one admires does something that one cannot support. Sometimes someone that one does not admire does something that one can support. Iíd like to separate, at the outset, the question of the Bush Administration from the question of the merits of this war that they propose to fight in Iraq.

Iím not here to defend the Bush Administration; I want to be perfectly clear about that. In most of its policies, I find it somewhere between offensive and odious. I have no enthusiasm for the heartlessness of its economic policy, for its indifference to the environment, for its non-democratic feelings about the transparency of government, for its religiosity, for its bloodlust in capital punishment executions. None of this arouses any enthusiasm in me. However, I cannot allow my analysis of what I believe to be a serious threat emanating from Saddam Hussein to be shut down by my opposition to the Bush Administration on other grounds. It is possible for sophisticated people in a democracy to support certain things and oppose other things. In any event, we only have one president at a time.

I was a great supporter of American intervention in the Balkans in the 1990s, as was Mark; we were co-conspirators in this. I think that Bill Clinton will go to hell for taking two and a half years to get into Bosnia after not doing anything at all about Rwanda. I greatly admired Republican friends who despised Clinton, as much as some of us despise Bush, who were able to support the democratic intervention in the Balkans because they thought it was the right thing.

The reason I support the war in Iraq is essentially this, and Iíll have to speak briefly and therefore crudely. I believe that there is such a thing as an international emergency that requires the international community ñ whatever on earth that is. Weíll have to deal with that at some point tonight: to act, to rise up and stop acts of such criminality, acts of violence against innocent men, women and children that simply constitute a fundamental violation, not only of the peace, but of the standards of a civilized international life.

I do not believe that tyranny is one of those international emergencies; tyranny is as old as the hills, and it has to be fought indigenously. A true democracy needs indigenous roots, so force can sometimes help it along, as we discovered in Germany, Japan, Austria and other places. Nor do I believe that war itself constitutes such an international emergency, but there are two crimes, there are two heinous categories of acts, that I believe require, obligate, every civilized individual to oppose them, into doing something about them. They are genocide and the use of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons.

The remarkable thing about Saddam Hussein (heís very distinguished in the field of evil) is that he has actually perpetrated both these international emergencies. He has used chemical weapons against soldiers; he has used chemical weapons against civilians. He started a war that lasted seven years that cost 1 million lives, at the end of which the border had not even changed. He invaded Kuwait. We now know, this is not speculation, that there are thousands, I repeat, thousands of tons of chemical agents in Iraq that are unaccounted for. We know, this is not speculation, that there are thousands of loiters of anthrax in Iraq that are unaccounted for.

The United Nations ñ that is to say, the international community ñ quite correctly, 12 years ago, and then again in [U.N. Resolution] 1441 recently, demanded that he disarm. We sent inspectors and he turned the inspections into a scavenger hunt. The inspections were not supposed to be a scavenger hunt; what the international community required of this man was that he make a strategic decision to disarm. This is a decision that, not only has he consistently refused to make, but that his refusal to make has enabled him to actually use his weapons, either actually, or for the purpose of the threat of terrorizing various opposition groups and ethnic groups in other states and so on. Saddam Hussein is the only figure in the discussion of the weapons of mass destruction, about whom all the chilling theories of deterrence and all the ominous scenarios of game theory do not apply, because he has already used them. He has already used them; he is the only figure in contemporary history of whom that can be said. This is not a small thing.

There are those who point out that the old scenarios of deterrence apply because he has never used them against people by whom he could be deterred. I will confess that that is attributing a little too much rationality after genocide, for my taste. In any event, even if Saddam Hussein is the rational actor that certain people who are opposed to the war think he is, he happens to have been a colossally, stupidly dangerous rational actor, who has committed two of the most extraordinary strategic miscalculations in modern history. The first one having to do with starting that ugly and unbelievable was with Iran, the second one having to do with the war with Kuwait.

Let me say a word about terrorism. I do not believe this war is about terrorism; I do not believe there is any direct link that has been demonstrated between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. But I will tell you this. Everything we know about this man, about what he has done in the past and about what he is capable of doing in the future, does not lead me to believe that there is some part of his conscience that would make it impossible for him to cooperate with terrorist groups of all kinds. He has already cooperated with a variety of terrorist groups, and there are thousands of tons of chemical agents that are unaccounted for.

A word about democratization: I do not believe, in the words of a famous folk singer in the 1960s, that we are the cops of the world. I do not think that democratization alone is a sufficient reason for the United States to launch a major war against a tyranny in the Middle East. But I do believe that the only real solution to the problem of proliferation is political development. That is to say, Saddam Hussein, I believe, for the sake of hundreds of thousands of innocent, not even necessarily American ones, because we are not the United States of America because we believe only in the welfare of ourselves. This is not just about the security of people who have an American passport; this is about the role that any large power, that claims to be a decent power and have a conscience, must play.


13 posted on 09/28/2003 3:21:42 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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