[PokeyJoe]

No, personal experience.

The actions of an a$$hole father - he with money, the mother without - using his position of power to accuse her of false crimes, using the child as a battering ram against the mother - he drove her into depression and HIS actions caused her breakdown, and this child's death.

The mother committed the act. The father was the proximate cause.

I remain steadfast in my opinion - this child would be alive today if her a$$hole father were not an a$$hole.

That's my opinion.

[PokeyJoe]

The moderator of this thread has a screw loose as well.

[familyop]

LOL! Yeah, right. Here's a couple of weeks' worth of
incomplete news sent to only one person.

"Mother accused of murdering daughter, five"
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_795971.html?menu=

"Police: Woman Kills Ex-Boyfriend's Son"
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20030705/ap_on_re_us/brf_father_son_attacked

"Woman jailed after daughter found abandoned in forest"
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/70703_state_girlleft.html

"Woman arrested on charges of selling her child"
Her two-year-old son, for drug money.
http://www.register-herald.com/articles/2003/07/09/news/child9.txt

"Body of Disabled N.Y. Girl Found in Trash"
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/6266889.htm

"SLAIN OVER BUTT CRACK"
By DENISE BUFFA
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/59520.htm

"Young boys die in sweltering SUV
Brothers, ages 3 and 5, were in the car for five hours"
Wednesday, July 9, 2003 Posted: 8:10 AM EDT (1210 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/07/09/heat.deaths.ap/index.html]

"Mother faces murder charge"
By SARAH MOORE , The Enterprise 07/09/2003
BEAUMONT
http://www.southeasttexaslive.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=9519105&BRD=2287&PAG=461&dept_id=512588&rfi=6

"Woman 'poisoned baby formula'"
From a correspondent in Pennysylvania
July 13, 2003
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6745372%255E1702,00.html

"Woman to stand trial in murder-suicide attempt"
RANCHO CUCAMONGA
http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories2003/state/20030711031101.shtml
[Down the page.]

"Woman sentenced to five years in prison"
BATON ROUGE, La.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030708/APN/307080704

Feminazis have screws loose, but father haters are on
the way out--even Republicans who hate fathers.

Hillary's not going to be after fathers as much as her
husband was (as he hated his fathers). She'll be after
her more visible opponents with an ugly stick!

It's time for Republicans to break it off with *all*
feminists. There are now hundreds of thousands of
highly educated men in the fight against feminism
(recent news polls). ...not to mention the millions of
advocate readers who've had enough.

Republican Party, choose now. Election time will be
too late.

Restore fatherhood now by repealing feminist laws like
the VAWA (imprisonment for no more than accusations),
so-called "Child Support Act" (debtors' prisons) and all
constitutional violations against fathers, or lose family
and suffer the political consequences.

You make your bed now, you stay in it.

[StatesEnemy]

No, personal experience. The actions of an a$$hole father - he with money, the mother without - using his position of power to accuse her of false crimes, using the child as a battering ram against the mother - he drove her into depression and HIS actions caused her breakdown, and this child's death.

The mother committed the act. The father was the proximate cause.

I remain steadfast in my opinion - this child would be alive today if her a$$hole father were not an a$$hole.

That's my opinion.

You are an idiot.

[trussell]

Sambriski was off her medication and dangerous.

This is from the news article. If it is documented that she was suppose to be on meds, then he had a legitimate complaint.

[cricket]

"That's my opinion."

Well, it is only an opinion. . .but would be good for you to re-read this story so that you really do understand where you are coming from.

[L`enn]

Your personal experiences must be from another planet because in the country women have all the power. They have scammed everyone into thinking they are under the thumb of "the man". And if there is a chink in their armor, there is nanny government there to make it a full fledged pile-on.

[attagirl]

Pokey--you sound awfully mad. I think it's very sad, but to say the father drove her to depression is jumping to conclusions. She had already been under psychiatric care. I doubt he caused her depression.

The e-mail she sent the paternal grandmother doesn't speak too well about her mental state either. Talk about anger, and, yes, hatred. Even if it were deserved on the part of Ramirez, to drag his mother into it is really low.

Why are you so steadfast against this grief-stricken man? At least he tried to intervene to help his little girl.

And one last thing. What kind of woman kills her daughter then herself in the home of her cousin, who was giving her a place to stay?

[Skywalk]

WTH?

You are entitled to an opinion, just as Flat-Earthers are entitled to their atrociously incorrect belief.

Where in this article did you get information that would lead you to this theory?

The part where she was a loon before she even had the kid? The part where she was BIPOLAR? I mean, where the hell did you get this idea from?

[Trust but Verify]

There is nothing-not a word- in this story to buttress this ridiculous argument you are making that it was somehow this poor father's fault his looney-tune, ex-girlfriend murdered his child. Nothing. What you are doing is shameful. According to these articles, the man was doing everything in his power to resolve the problems through the appropriate channels. That is where he went wrong, if anywhere.

[nopardons]

The father of the dead child is a Long Islan Railroad CONDUCTOR ! You say that he has money and that the mother didn't ? Nowhere in the article is it even implied that the murderess of her own daughter was without funds. She, after all, took off, vanished, left, ran away. She had some funds. OTOH, have you even the slightest glimmer of an idea how much a LIRR conductor makes ?

"Personal experience " ? Oh, so you're an unwed mother, who has drowned her small child, are you ?

Though you are welcome to your own opions, basing your opinions on your own bias and NO facts, is hardly a good thing to do.

[Capt.YankeeMike]

did you even bother to READ the article? the woman took off, and he didnt see the child or her for a YEAR.