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Why is The Arab World So Hoplessly Mired In the Past?
The New York Times ^ | August 6, 2003 | Thomas Friedman

Posted on 08/06/2003 7:27:19 AM PDT by the_greatest_country_ever

Shaking Up the Neighbors By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

AMMAN, Jordan — Shortly after the 25-member Governing Council was appointed in Iraq, the head of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, questioned the U.S.-appointed Council's legitimacy. "If this Council was elected," complained Mr. Moussa, "it would have gained much power and credibility."

I love that quote. I love it, first of all, for its bold, gutsy, shameless, world-class hypocrisy. Mr. Moussa presides over an Arab League in which not one of the 22 member states has a leader elected in a free and fair election. On top of it, before the war, Mr. Moussa did all he could to shield Saddam Hussein from attack, although Saddam had never held a real election in his life. Yet, there was Mr. Moussa questioning the new U.S.-appointed Iraqi Council, which, even in its infant form, is already the most representative government Iraq has ever had.

But I also love Mr. Moussa's comment for its unintended revolutionary message: "power and credibility" come from governments that are freely "elected." If only that were the motto of the Arab League. Alas, it is not, but it might be one day, and that brings me to the core question of this column: What has been the Arab reaction to Iraq? The short answer is: Shock, denial, fear and some stirrings of change. The shock comes from how easily the U.S.-British force smashed Saddam's regime. The denial is manifest in the absence of virtually any public discussion among Arab elites as to why Baghdad fell so easily and why such a terrible regime was indulged by the Arab world for so long.

"The most striking thing," one Arab diplomat remarked to me, "is that there are no debates going on [in the Arab world.] There is no W.M.D. debate. There is no debate about the atrocities and the mass graves. Even inside Iraq there doesn't seem to be much soul-searching, like there was in Germany after World War II. That is worrisome to me. People have to learn from the mistakes that were made, and there is no attempt at doing that." The denial is closely related to the fears. Many Arab leaders and intellectuals seem to be torn between two fears about Iraq: fear that the U.S. will succeed in transforming Iraq into a constitutional, democratizing society, which would put pressure on every other Arab regime to change, and fear that the U.S. will fail and Iraq will collapse into ethnic violence that will suck in all the neighbors and look like Lebanon's civil war on steroids.

For now, though, a few governments are getting ahead of the curve, while most are still hiding behind it. Jordan's King Abdullah has been the most pro-active, pushing his conservative population down the path of economic reform, and is likely to begin experimenting soon with political reform as well.

Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Abdullah recently convened an unusual dialogue between Sunni and Shiite clerics in Saudi Arabia to head off tensions that could flow from Iraq's being ruled by its Shiite majority for the first time in its history. Fears that a democratically elected Shiite-led government in Iraq could stir downtrodden Shiite minorities around the Arab world to demand more power are rife among the dominant Sunni Muslims. Many Sunni Muslims look down on the Shiites as inferior. Think how Southern whites would feel if a black had been elected governor of Mississippi in 1920, and you'll have a taste of how uneasy the Sunnis are about a Shiite-led government in Iraq. While Saudi Arabia is introducing more reforms at home than generally thought, too often it is one step forward, one step back. Just the other day another moderate Saudi columnist, Hussein Shobokshi, was sacked under government pressure. According to The A.P., Mr. Shobokshi had recently written a column imagining a Saudi Arabia where his daughter could drive and he could vote. Egypt remains totally gridlocked on reform, while the Syrian regime is going totally the wrong way, tightening its grip at home and pushing out all the freethinkers in Lebanon's cabinet.

As long as it is not clear how Iraq is going to come out, Arab regimes can practice denial. But if there is a decent government elected in Baghdad in two years, it will be as easy to ignore as a 10.0 earthquake. I think Abdul Rahman al-Rashid, the editor of London's Asharq al-Awsat newspaper, got it right when he remarked to me of the U.S. invasion of Iraq: "It is a mix between Napoleon's invasion of Egypt and the 1967 war. There is the shock of defeat like '67 and the introduction of new thinking in the region like Napoleon. I can't predict how it will all come out, but for some reason I think it will be positive." 


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A 2002 UN report placed the Arab World last in all aspects of literacy, modernity, and economic progress. The entire amount of goods and services produced by the Arab World minus their energy deposits is less than that of the Netherlands.

What is it about the Arab culture that keeps it so hopelessly mired in the past?

It seems to me that the only time they've achieved success is when they've been motivated by the glorification of war. The spread of Islam from Mecca throughout the world eventually reaching as far as Spain was brought about through the glorification of war in God's name through the invocation of 'jihad', holy war, allowing the Arab World to flourish as they did in the Middle Ages by absorbing the vanquished lands into their own.

It is quite ironic that our modern numbering system is called "Arabic" numerals because it was actually invented in India but was somehow miscredited. But this is only one small illustration of the so called Arab Golden Age and what really contributed to its success.

And again in the modern era it appears that demagoguery and holy war seem to be the only way the Arab World has been able to motivate itself in any way.

But now,the Arab world has been made impotent and vulnerable as never before by President Bush's bold visionary resolve to shatter the ossified mindset so prevalent within the Arab culture by dramatically revealing the abject bankruptcy and startling nakedness of its vacuous, primitive society for all the world to see.

1 posted on 08/06/2003 7:27:19 AM PDT by the_greatest_country_ever
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
What is it about the Arab culture that keeps it so hopelessly mired in the past?

The last progress in civilization they made was B.M. (Before Muhammed)

2 posted on 08/06/2003 7:33:09 AM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
"A 2002 UN report placed the Arab World last in all aspects of literacy, modernity, and economic progress."

That can't be right. Black Africa must bring up the rear.
3 posted on 08/06/2003 7:35:53 AM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Why?

It's their religion.

That was an easy one.

4 posted on 08/06/2003 7:37:34 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
5 posted on 08/06/2003 7:37:45 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: the_greatest_country_ever; Admin Moderator

This is a duplicate post.  Originally posted under the correct title:

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/958870/posts

 

Shaking Up the Neighbors

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN


Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

6 posted on 08/06/2003 7:38:55 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel ("Fire can be our servant, whether it's toasting S'mores or raining down on Charlie"-Pcpl Skinner)
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To: Alouette
B.M......hahaha....snicker.....
7 posted on 08/06/2003 7:42:44 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Arabs [pronounced 'A-Rabs'] do not make mistakes. They follow the dictates of their mullahs and follow Allah. They are right because their moon god tells them they are right. Idiot writers need to understand the facts of life.

The facts of life are as follows: if you are not Muslim you are a target of jihad and you, your whole family and your community are sentenced to death.

8 posted on 08/06/2003 7:59:31 AM PDT by ex-Texan (My tag line is broken !)
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
I think that polygamy is a core problem of Islam that creates many levels of abuse and suppression both in women and traumatized children.
9 posted on 08/06/2003 8:00:19 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Islam's golden age? That was just science and arts they hijacked from peoples they conquered.
10 posted on 08/06/2003 8:01:59 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
There's been a lot of talk about the backwardness of the Muslim world but Latin America is almost as backwards. There IS a difference between cultures and people despite what the egalitarians say, and allowing massive immigration into the West won't usher in a glorious new era of one-world peace and harmony, as the True Believers think, it will simply cause those areas to join the Arab and Latin world in backwardness and the torch will be passed to other nations that don't believe in such foolishness.
11 posted on 08/06/2003 8:02:32 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Excellent response. This is one aspect of Bush's foreign policy that needs to be talked up more. The prospect for a domino effect across all the authoritarian Islamic countries transforming them into operational democratic and free-market societies. Of course it will tough enough just to get Iraq changed, but it's worth the effort.
12 posted on 08/06/2003 8:04:57 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
The short answer (all I have time for this AM) is that they are primarily autocratic governments that tend to put the proceeds from state-controlled extraction economies into the hands of a small number of non-investing ruling elite - non-investing, at least, in local industries that would represent diversity from the single profit-bearing one of the moment.

Islam tends to validate this but did not cause it directly, and in a number of places in the world where it is true and Islam is not present, the same result applies (some places in Latin America, some places in Asia, a LOT of places in Africa). Where a single ruling elite holds control poverty results - also corruption, patronage, and political repression. It's a natural enough form of government in a tribal situation and is the natural answer to chaos, but it can't run a modern economy.

13 posted on 08/06/2003 8:09:20 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Well of course what's going on in Iraq has the leaders of the Arab world worried. I'd be worried to if I was the ruler of any of those countries. To have a multi-ethnic democracy right smack dab in the middle of their area has got to keep them awake at night.
14 posted on 08/06/2003 8:10:20 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Alouette
The last progress in civilization they made was B.M.(Before Muhammed)

Of course you do know that Moorish Granada had a library with 25,000 books, a sewer systems, streets lite at night, and 100's of public baths, this is when the university of Paris had a library with 12 books(1200's), and one of the chief Abbesses in France bragged that she never bathed?
15 posted on 08/06/2003 8:18:22 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Valin
Of course you do know that Moorish Granada had a library with 25,000 books, a sewer systems, streets lite at night, and 100's of public baths,

And a very large population of Christians and Jews who built and maintained these public works.

16 posted on 08/06/2003 8:24:04 AM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Friedman is one liberal who "gets it" about Iraq, who appreciates the boldness and promise (and the risks) of what we are attempting there. Meanwhile, other liberals (Dean, Kerry, Gore, the media) are just trying to use the situation for domestic political advantage.
17 posted on 08/06/2003 8:26:46 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
Read Lawrence of Arabia's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". In the book, Lawrence correctly identifies two cornerstones of Arab self-perception:

1). Islam gives the Arabs a profound sense of being a chosen people of G-d. Therefore, there is nothing to be learned from us heathen scum.

2). The romanticized myths of the medieval Caliphate lead the Arabs to believe that they have but to emulate the past to again reign supreme over us lesser mortals. A corollary is that the Arabs have nothing to learn from the modern world.

18 posted on 08/06/2003 8:27:09 AM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: Alouette
But would it have happened without the Muslims? When I look at the rest of europe at that time I have my doubts.
19 posted on 08/06/2003 8:28:35 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: the_greatest_country_ever
What is it about the Arab culture that keeps it so hopelessly mired in the past?

It's the tribal mentality of the Arab world. It stifles initiative, prevents real progress, and uses the culture of absolutism to control a weak, uneducated populace.

20 posted on 08/06/2003 8:31:50 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (All Your Base Are Belong To Us)
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