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To: Sensei Ern
Example One of Sunday's bad teaching, from his sermon "What Shall I Do Then With Jesus?"


"Oh, Jesus Christ waits to be your King. What is your answer? Are you ready to crown Him? Are you ready to say, "Christ is ours"? Or will you dip the cross of Jesus into the forces of evil? What is your answer?"

First off, regardless of what anyone on this planet does, Jesus is already King. I don't crown him. God did. I don't make him Lord of my life. He is the Lord of everyones life, regardless if people believe that or not.

Second, "the cross" is not the Saviour. Christ is. Christ saves by virtue of what he did on the cross. The cross is of no value other than being the object upon which Christ was nailed as He received the full measure of the righteous wrath of God. This modern Evangelistic idea that "the cross" has some intrinsic power borders on Romanist relic worship. But then again, much of modern Evangelistic practice looks very Romanist when you pull back the layers enough,
16 posted on 07/21/2006 8:38:37 AM PDT by Gamecock ("God's sheep are brought home by the Holy Spirit, and there won't be one of them lost." L R Shelton)
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To: Gamecock

Your vehemence is blinding your thinking. Paul referred to the cross. Hundreds of songs have been written to praise the cross. The cross has been preached by RC Sproul.

The references to the cross is not to put idyllic worship on the wood, any more than David looked to the altar for salvation. Reference to the cross is to point to the sacrifice on the cross by Jesus Christ.

I believe Sunday's message was to refuse Christ is similar to the Jewish leaders' refusal, "We have no king but caesar." But, this I cannot say with certainty as I have not read that sermon.

I do not adhere to Roman Catholic teachings, and reject any that are not scriptural. I do not appreciate your journey into hatred.

As to your spelling, I do not criticize it as I make enough errors of my own.


19 posted on 07/21/2006 8:56:31 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "Combat:using your advantage to exploit your enemy's weakness")
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To: Gamecock
This modern Evangelistic idea that "the cross" has some intrinsic power borders on Romanist relic worship.

They've seen too many Dracula movies, I think.

But it helps you to grasp why God forbade the making of graven religious images to His people. It's clear He's knows full well our innate tendencies to worship false religion and mere symbols.

A lot of tent-preachers misuse scripture in their preaching. In our time, turn on any religious programming on TV for a good sample.
20 posted on 07/21/2006 8:56:59 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Gamecock; George W. Bush; A.J.Armitage; Alex Murphy
First off, regardless of what anyone on this planet does, Jesus is already King. I don't crown him. God did. I don't make him Lord of my life. He is the Lord of everyone's life, regardless if people believe that or not.

Second, "the cross" is not the Saviour. Christ is. Christ saves by virtue of what he did on the cross. The cross is of no value other than being the object upon which Christ was nailed as He received the full measure of the righteous wrath of God. This modern Evangelistic idea that "the cross" has some intrinsic power borders on Romanist relic worship. But then again, much of modern Evangelistic practice looks very Romanist when you pull back the layers enough

Amen and amen!

During the late 19th century and early 20th century there was a great influx of money into previously sturdy denominations to encourage a quasi-gnostic universalism which intentionally splintered the Gospel into various spiritualisms, half-truths, Arminian-leaning sophistry and outright errors.

What happened to Princeton happened everywhere. Stalwarts were marginalized as "extremists" for simply asserting God's grace alone saves the sinner."

The deconstruction of orthodox Trinitarian Christianity continues to this day.

But some resist, by the grace of God alone.

As God wills.

39 posted on 07/21/2006 11:27:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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