Posted on 06/09/2014 5:07:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
I think that was Mrs. Glick's main complaint with the Pope, that he acknowledged Judea and Samaria as Palestine, not Israel.
“Can you explain to me why Pope Francis referred to Palestine as a state, when the Lord has promised to enter into judgment with the people who divide up His land (Joel 3:2)?”
I can explain it. Whether you like it or not, whether I like it or not, most people around the world think Palestine should be an independent nation. Thus, Francis, like most people on the planet called Palestine a state - which in fact it is in that it has its own laws, own flag, own territory, own parliament, own police force, own history (however artificial), etc. Thus, none of those people outside of Palestine and Israel are diving up the land. They are merely recognizing what is already obvious.
Do you believe in the dual covenant theory; that Jews need not convert to achieve salvation?
Most people? It doesn't matter, God gave this land to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not to the descendants of Ishmael.
Thus, none of those people outside of Palestine and Israel are diving up the land. They are merely recognizing what is already obvious.
Since God gave the land, all of the land, to Israel, those people may think what they want but they ARE dividing the land.
In case of doubt, always refer to the Book, it is pretty clear.
“Most people? It doesn’t matter, God gave this land to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not to the descendants of Ishmael.”
If you are a descendent of Ishmael, you ARE a descendent of Abraham. And no matter who God gave the land to the Palestinians aren’t leaving unless God makes them. So far God has not chosen to oust them. You’ll just have to accept that God has refused to act for whatever reason. Can you humbly accept God’s will?
“Since God gave the land, all of the land, to Israel, those people may think what they want but they ARE dividing the land.”
Nope. They aren’t. God can change things in the blink of an eye if He wants. He clearly has not chosen to do so at this time. You’ll have to learn to accept that.
“In case of doubt, always refer to the Book, it is pretty clear.”
You better explain your understanding of God’s Word to God because He isn’t doing much to support your view. Can you live with that?
Who did God use in the Old Testament to make the Canaanites leave the land? Wasn't it the Israelites?
So far God has not chosen to oust them.
How do you know that? I can tell you how I know that God wants them to have the land... he promised it to them. Abraham asked God that Ishmael be the inheritor of the promise (Gen. 17:18) and God said "no" (Gen. 17:19). So, the land belongs to the descendants of Isaac.
God can change things in the blink of an eye
Praise God that His promises are everlasting, that He does not change (Malachi 3:6). Satan has been trying from the very beginning to keep any of God's promises from being fulfilled... he was behind throwing the Hebrew newborns in the Nile, or killing the innocents at Bethlehem. But God's promises don't change, He is Yisrael HsTzur (the Rock of Israel). So, when he promised the land it was forever, as you can read in Gen. 13:15.
God has monotheistic Muslims as a buffer between His Holy City and the more idolatrous.
Do you affirm or deny the words of the LORD Jesus Christ ? And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
“And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled” (Luke 21:24). I just happen to believe that all signs are that the times of the times of the Gentiles either already are or are about to be fulfilled.
Yes but This time all the enemies can be summarily destroyed if necessary. What we see of Israel is her peace- seeking, conciliatory character. That’s very real. But it is not derived from any inability to destroy her enemies if forced to do so. Israel can’t stop them for singing their hateful or aggressive tunes. So we probably will have to listen to all that garbage ( including all their the pretenses or lies) for perhaps a long time yet. But we certainly don’t have to give them any credence. And as disgusting as all the propaganda is, it cannot force Israel to give away any more of her tiny little country. I’m thinking of just investing g in a set of ear plugs while purchasing Israel bonds and stocks — especially in the building and defense industries. Have a happy day.
“Who did God use in the Old Testament to make the Canaanites leave the land? Wasn’t it the Israelites?”
Yep. And is He using them now to do the same thing to the Palestinians? No, apparently not. Wake up!
“How do you know that?”
Are they still there?
“I can tell you how I know that God wants them to have the land... he promised it to them. Abraham asked God that Ishmael be the inheritor of the promise (Gen. 17:18) and God said “no” (Gen. 17:19). So, the land belongs to the descendants of Isaac.”
I understand what you’re saying. What you don’t seem to understand is that God - for whatever reason - doesn’t seem to be doing anything to oust the Palestinians. If you have any hard facts about God ousting the Palestinians, post them. Got any? Any at all?
“Praise God that His promises are everlasting, that He does not change (Malachi 3:6). Satan has been trying from the very beginning to keep any of God’s promises from being fulfilled... he was behind throwing the Hebrew newborns in the Nile, or killing the innocents at Bethlehem. But God’s promises don’t change, He is Yisrael HsTzur (the Rock of Israel). So, when he promised the land it was forever, as you can read in Gen. 13:15.”
Again, If you have any hard facts about God ACTUALLY ousting the Palestinians, post them. Got any? Any at all? Has God struck the Palestinians with a terrible plague that has wiped them out? Has He wiped them out with storms? Has He wiped them out with enemy armies? Well? Has He?
I affirm those words.
Now will you answer my question? I’ve answered yours.
Amos 9:15
“Yes but This time all the enemies can be summarily destroyed if necessary.”
Has God done that?
“What we see of Israel is her peace- seeking, conciliatory character. That’s very real. But it is not derived from any inability to destroy her enemies if forced to do so. Israel can’t stop them for singing their hateful or aggressive tunes. So we probably will have to listen to all that garbage ( including all their the pretenses or lies) for perhaps a long time yet. But we certainly don’t have to give them any credence. And as disgusting as all the propaganda is, it cannot force Israel to give away any more of her tiny little country. I’m thinking of just investing g in a set of ear plugs while purchasing Israel bonds and stocks — especially in the building and defense industries. Have a happy day.”
I hope you have a happy day too. :)
...and the legal drawing and re-drawing of of the lines have been done over and over, over and over again by Jews and Gentiles, Empires and Rebels since it was united as a "State" under David and then divided after just one generation, after Solomon.
You might want to ask most religiously observant of the Israeli Jews, the nearly million-strong Haredi, why they support a State of Palestine, when the secular agnostic Jews do not?
We have got a bit off topic. Remember the thread was about Pope Francis leading the Church in a pro-Israel direction. And I questioned why did he acknowledged the State of Palestine? The land was given to Israel in perpetuity. In fact, the day is coming when they will control all of the land given to them, from the Nile to the Euphrates, but that would be a topic for another thread!
“What makes you think it is any different now?”
Is it happening now? It has nothing to do with what I think. Is it HAPPENING now? No, it isn’t.
“Couldn’t the Lord use the IDF to accomplish His will?”
Yes, He could. Now, IS HE? No, He IS NOT. It’s just that simple.
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