[RnMomof7]

Grace Bump

[Dr. Eckleburg]

But when a person settles it Biblically, intellectually and emotionally that God has ultimate control of all things, including evil, and that this is gracious and precious beyond words, then a marvelous stability and depth come into that person's life and they develop a God-entranced world view.

What a great, uplifting Saturday night post. Thanks, RnMom.

...in the day of your loss, you will be like Job...

[He Rides A White Horse]

Most of us don’t know that he is considered now, by secular and evangelical historians alike, to be the greatest religious thinker America has ever produced . . .

We have to be very cautious of these types of statements, MomofSeven.........deepest regards, HRAWH.

[xzins]

Sorry, Rn, but God is less glorious if he is responsible for designing specific evil choices.

If we say, "God created free creatures and they will make bad choices" that is one thing.

If we say, "God designed this murder so that Mr Y would die on this particular day," then that is entirely another thing.

[Jemian]

Bump

[ponyespresso]

OK, I want to get down to brass tacks here and figure out how all this works in real life.

I live in Norwich England. Near where I live (a small village in Cambridgeshire) two weeks ago two 10 year old girls who were best friends went missing. Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out for a walk together one evening and never returned. Their dead bodies have just been found in a field this weekend and a couple from the village are being held for the murder of these two schoolgirls.

Questions:

1) Did God foreknow that these two girls would be murdered? Did He know the exact time and place it would happen?

2) Did God foreordain these murders to happen? Did God, in setting up His plan for the world from the beginning of time, engineer the exact situation where the murderer(s) of these two girls and the girls themselves would meet, and from that meeting, did God know the outcome of that meeting that He Himself engineered?

3) Or did God foreknow these girls would be murdered, but somehow did not foreordain them to be murdered? And, if so, please tell me how exactly this might work.