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New York Muslims pray for justice
BBC ^ | October 13, 2001 | Joseph Winter

Posted on 10/13/2001 11:56:31 AM PDT by sarcasm

Mullah in New York mosque

New York's Muslims gathered in their thousands for the first Friday prayers since the United States began bombing targets in Afghanistan.

The city as a whole is an ethnic mosaic, and worshippers at the imposing Kuwaiti-funded Islamic Cultural Centre in Manhattan arrived from countries as far apart as Senegal, Bangladesh and Indonesia.

Mosque in Manhattan
The mosque was financed by Kuwaitis
Yet they held surprisingly consistent views - condemning both the 11 September attacks and the US retaliation.

The fact that the bombings had been halted out of respect for the Muslim holy day made little difference.

Justice

"What they complained about, that he [Osama Bin Laden] killed a lot of innocent people, they're doing the same thing now in Afghanistan," Egyptian-born Abraham Ramsey told BBC News Online.

"Under US law, you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Where's the proof?" he asked.

Saba, a physician from New York, agreed that justice should be sought through the legal system, not the armed forces.

"Terrorism is not about war, it's a crime against humanity. This should be done through the United Nations War Crimes Tribunal, like they did with [former Yugoslav leader Slobodan] Milosevic," she said.

Like other Muslim Americans, Saba also spoke of a new, anti-Muslim backlash and was too afraid to give her family name.

Holy war

Following the air strikes in Afghanistan, Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network called for Muslims around the world to rise up in a jihad or holy war against the US.

Despite their opposition to the US action, this has apparently gone unheeded by New York's Muslims and there were no demonstrations against the US Government at the Islamic centre.


We used to be friends with the Taleban, now we say they have to go and we're making friends with anyone who's against them

Yousef
New York Muslim
"I don't think Osama Bin Laden is qualified to call for a jihad," said Saeed Uddin Qureshi, the centre's assistant Imam, originally from Pakistan.

"For a jihad, there must be a just cause. To hate America is not a just cause," he said.

He also told BBC News Online that not a single member of his congregation had asked him about how Muslim Americans should react.

"Nobody is taking that call seriously."

Root causes

While people generally saw the solution to be the capture and public trial of Bin Laden and whoever else the US believes is responsible for the attacks, Yousef from Morocco said the root causes should also be addressed.

He said that instead of launching missiles on Afghanistan, the US should be helping to spread democracy throughout the Middle East, so that governments actually represent the feelings of their people.

Yousef was also concerned that US foreign policy-makers were not thinking about the long-term.

"We used to be friends with the Taleban, now we say they have to go and we're making friends with anyone who's against them," he said.

Muslims kneeling at prayer
New York's Muslims come from many countries
Some pointed to US support for Israel as being one of the reasons - but not justifications - for the 11 September attacks and complained of double standards.

"Nothing happened to [Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon when Palestinian refugees were massacred," said one women through a black veil which only revealed her eyes.

Betrayal

Muslim New Yorkers are currently struggling to deal with a bewildering array of emotions - outrage at the 11 September attacks, disappointment and anger, too, at the US retaliation and a sense of betrayal that they are no longer being made to feel at ease in the city they call home.

In a thick New York drawl flavoured with more than a hint of his Arabic roots - Abdelaziz who came from Egypt 22 years ago - said: " A lot of people down there in Afghanistan, innocent people, they didn't do nothing but they been killed."

He was concerned that people were forgetting that many of those who died in the World Trade Centre were also Muslims and he aptly caught the mood in the mosque: "God bless Egypt, God bless Islam, God bless America - if they do the right thing."


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Yet they held surprisingly consistent views - condemning both the 11 September attacks and the US retaliation.
1 posted on 10/13/2001 11:56:31 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Who cares what the Muslims think? Their religion is supportive of what happened on 9/11. Islam turns the proper definition of justice on its head.
2 posted on 10/13/2001 12:00:27 PM PDT by Heisenburger
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To: sarcasm
Terrorism is not about war, it's a crime against humanity. This should be done through the United Nations War Crimes Tribunal, like they did with [former Yugoslav leader Slobodan] Milosevic," she said.

Where was their whining when we were bombing civilian infrastructure (and accidentally killing civilians) in Serbia? Oh I'm sorry, they were kufr so why would their lives matter? My bad.

3 posted on 10/13/2001 12:04:09 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: sarcasm
"You either stand with us or with the terrorists."
When are these boys going to make up their minds?
4 posted on 10/13/2001 12:04:46 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: sarcasm
Okay, what's the problem here? Are these people incapable of understanding the situation, or are they willfully rejecting the only viable solution?

A nominally sovereign nation harbors the man we hold responsible for Black Tuesday. That man has all but admitted to the deed, and enough circumstantial evidence links him to the deed that we wouldn't need a confession from him anyway. The harboring nation refuses to hand him over, and has made a slew of incredible, mutually contradictory excuses for it. So we have to go in and get him ourselves.

But to send an armed man across another country's borders is an act of war, the oldest in the book. So it doesn't do to send a federal marshal. We have to send the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marines, the Boy Scouts and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir if need be. We have to make war, as wholeheartedly as we know how.

Is there anything about this that the average six-year-old couldn't grasp? That the average non-Muslim six-year-old couldn't grasp?

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
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6 posted on 10/13/2001 12:07:22 PM PDT by fporretto
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Can anyone show me a picture of a shiny new Christian cathedral in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia?

Why do we permit this one way flow of hate filled jihadists?

7 posted on 10/13/2001 12:09:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: sarcasm
"Under US law, you're innocent until you're proven guilty. Where's the proof?" he asked.

Did they not see Osama praising the attacks??? How could anyone imagine anything but Osama's guilt? If someone were falsely accused would their response be "that murder was great, kill more civilians"???

Anyone who doubts Osama's guilt is either a blithering idiot or evil.

8 posted on 10/13/2001 12:11:25 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: sarcasm
Islam, it walks like a cult, talks like a cult, smells like a cult, acts like a cult. I don't see how it can be described as anything but a cult. What "religion" demands or allows that people be killed and women raped in certain situations?
10 posted on 10/13/2001 12:13:59 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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They should just GET OUT! It's becoming clear that Islam is not the religion of "peace and love" that the Kumbayah enthusiasts around here are trying to believe it is. It is a religion of power, domination and intolerance. These people are not Americans. They are Muslims inhabiting America. Their religion is inseparable from the secular. Their loyalty is to their twisted beliefs, not their country.
11 posted on 10/13/2001 12:17:08 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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"Under US law, you're innocent until you're proven guilty.

Wrong again, moron. You are either innocent or guilty. That never changes. You mean "PRESUMED innocent"

12 posted on 10/13/2001 12:18:34 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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Can anyone show me a picture of a shiny new Christian cathedral in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia?

A mere coincidence, I'm sure.

13 posted on 10/13/2001 12:19:19 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: fporretto
Are these people incapable of understanding the situation, or are they willfully rejecting the only viable solution?

Some of them just toe the party line without really thinking, but many are eager to explout the atrocity to gain points on Jews and other infidels and hope that the terrorized West will finally address their "grievances" (make geopolitical, political and cultural concessions). What they do not understand is that such attitude will only enrage the Westerners and cause more "grievances" for the Muslims

14 posted on 10/13/2001 12:20:00 PM PDT by eclectic
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To: matamoros
"JUSTICE 101"

Great picture. Thank you!

15 posted on 10/13/2001 12:22:47 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: sarcasm
Muslims, do not speak to me about discrimination against you, until first you describe to me the concrete steps you have taken to root out those who murdered innocents in the name of Allah.
16 posted on 10/13/2001 12:24:10 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: AppyPappy
In that picture, if they'd move just a little closer together then they could all have their heads up their neighbor's butts as well, instead of just having their heads up their own.

We all know what diapers are full of. If you are willing to wrap one around your head and wear it as hat, I guess it's an acknowledgement of what your skull is full of as well.

17 posted on 10/13/2001 12:24:31 PM PDT by bootyist-monk
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To: AppyPappy
From the Philippines to Nigeria to New York, what is the common factor along the trail of terror?
18 posted on 10/13/2001 12:24:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: sarcasm
This is at best a CULT. Islam can not separate church, state and the law. It's holey book advocates the overthrow of our government, laws and Constitution. This country needs to not reconize this cult as a religion.
20 posted on 10/13/2001 12:29:38 PM PDT by hd5574
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