He's suggesting it be voluntary for citizens--hello? Is anybody reading the whole article before they start foaming at the mouth? He's also suggesting it be mandatory for non-citizens.
Are these people here who are suggesting that all we have to do is enforce our borders better and we can solve this problem the same ones who are in another thread screaming about how we should close our borders and stop letting Syrians come over here to flight school? Well, to you delusional folks out there who think that these people can't just 'sneak' in somewhere along the massive Canadian border (or even perhaps at one of the unmanned border stations), I hope your right not to have an ID card makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and safe at night.
It would make me feel better to know that anyone trying to wire money overseas, or check into a hotel, or get on a bus or a plane or a train, or rent an apartment would be randomly subject to showing their national ID card as a matter of proof of their right to be in our great nation. I would proudly display mine right next to my driver's license, and never ever feel like I was doing anything other than my patriotic duty to show my absolute right to be here as an American-born citizen. For everybody else, it's a privelege to be here, and with priveleges come responsibility and obligations.
It would make me feel better to know that anyone trying to wire money overseas, or check into a hotel, or get on a bus or a plane or a train, or rent an apartment would be randomly subject to showing their national ID card
[FADE IN to Bill Clinton sitting at a mahogany desk, in a setting somewhat similar to the Oval Office.]
Have you been caught in a lie because you just couldn't keep your stories internally consistent? I can help you! With just a few weeks' study at Clinton College, you, too, can be such an expert liar that you'll always be able to get away with it!
In case you haven't been paying attention, privacy advocates have decried these for years. So now you want to use previous losses of privacy to justify further losses of privacy. Later, when the next Big Brother scheme comes up, the same thing will be repeated - "Why not have biometric cameras in every public place, national ID's track your every move anyway". This is called the Slippery Slope, and WE DRAW THE LINE RIGHT HERE.
It would make me feel better to know that anyone trying to wire money overseas, or check into a hotel, or get on a bus or a plane or a train, or rent an apartment would be randomly subject to showing their national ID card as a matter of proof of their right to be in our great nation.
It would make me feel like a character in 1984, or a peon in some Iron Curtain Soviet Republic. It would make me ashamed to live in such a nation that no longer respects privacy or freedom.
It would make me feel better to know that anyone trying to wire money overseas, or check into a hotel, or get on a bus or a plane or a train, or rent an apartment would be randomly subject to showing their national ID card as a matter of proof of their right to be in our great nation.
I'm not interested in living in a police state so you can 'feel better'. Go right ahead and carry whatever ID you want, just don't think you can force it on others.
The Oracle Co is the greatest DB in the world. This company can do anything. By the way, the software needed to check an ID could be written in Java and anyone could verify the card. Which means anyone with the Internet could be helping keep our citizens safe.
Awww...What a good little german you are. You may board the bus to Dresden now where you'll be safe.
Yep, I'm feeling a whole lot better.
Finally, a sane person posts! thanks for the Oasis of sanity in this thread ... it's good to find another "thinker" occasionally!! ;-)
Guess I'll now have to remember my 67th birthday (11/26/2000) as the day when another worthless statist/socialist joined FR.
Oracle is in trouble as a relational database company. This is their bid to be big news. IBM now has more market share with its purchase of Informix.
You see nothing in "this card" which violates our privacy?
What card?
Cripes, it hasn't even been invented yet and you're already speaking with certainty that it doesn't violate our privacy. How the hell do you know? Basically, you appear to be in favor of a National ID Card, no matter what it is like. Does this make any sense?
He's suggesting it be voluntary for citizens--hello?
If that's all it was, then I certainly won't oppose it. But now, is there a guarantee that this "voluntary" card won't become less and less "voluntary" as time marches on?
For example, laws start getting passed saying you must have this "voluntary" card in order to ride airplanes, open bank accounts, etc., etc.?
If you could guarantee that the "voluntary" card would stay voluntary then I wouldn't be against it at all! But of course, you can't. No on can. And that's the problem.
He's also suggesting it be mandatory for non-citizens.
We already have visas and green cards and the like which are mandatory for non-citizens. So this idea is just redundant, and a waste of time and money.
Well, to you delusional folks out there who think that these people can't just 'sneak' in somewhere along the massive Canadian border (or even perhaps at one of the unmanned border stations), I hope your right not to have an ID card makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and safe at night.
You are letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. No, of course, we can't close the border perfectly, 100%, in the sense that no one can possibly sneak across in an isolated area.
But that's a straw man. We aren't even really trying to enforce the border at the moment. Let's start with that. It won't be perfect of course, but we can sure as heck do a lot better than we're doing.
By the way, would a National ID Card be a perfect way to catch illegals?
It would make me feel better to know that anyone trying to wire money overseas, or check into a hotel, or get on a bus or a plane or a train, or rent an apartment would be randomly subject to showing their national ID card as a matter of proof of their right to be in our great nation.
Sounds like what it's really about for you is control. You are obsessed with controlling other people, for some reason.
Interesting.