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Breaking trust with the children (Gov. Davis of CA steals special-ed funds from local schools)
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | March 27, 2002 | Marsha Sutton

Posted on 03/29/2002 11:07:41 AM PST by John Jorsett

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21 posted on 04/01/2002 9:22:11 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: John Jorsett
"Children with learning disabilities or other special needs have the unquestionable right to equal opportunity in education. No one would disagree with this."

Sometimes I do disagree with the 'special' opportunities given to those with 'special' needs; when it lowers the quality of education for the 'vast majority' of students.

VOTE SIMON!!!

22 posted on 04/01/2002 9:36:47 AM PST by d14truth
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To: ElkGroveDan
What a maroon. What an ULTRA-maroon.

Dan

23 posted on 04/01/2002 9:38:28 AM PST by BibChr
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Educators were thrilled, but the celebration was brief. Upon receiving the money, Gov. Gray Davis chose not to pass it through to the school districts but rather decided to apply the funds to help ease the state's budget shortfall.

Good campaign issue for Simon!

24 posted on 04/01/2002 9:38:50 AM PST by Salvation
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To: Alissa
Robbing the kids of Kalifornia!
25 posted on 04/01/2002 9:39:43 AM PST by Salvation
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To: Miss Marple;elk grove dan
Old Perfectly-legal State Habit-- "Rob Peter to pay Paul."
26 posted on 04/01/2002 9:40:58 AM PST by let freedom sing
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To: daviddennis
Wow, what a heart you have on you!

Special education children range from those with a learning disability to those with severe and profound disorders. Many, many of them can learn (and do learn) and will be contributing members of society.

I teach children with learning disabilities in a middle school and every year I have a half dozen or so enter a mainstream class--and experience success.

Yes, some of these children will need life-long care, but many will not. As far as the gifted/talented children being shortchanged--I don't see that in my district, if anyone gets shortchanged it's those considered to be "slow learners" Not smart enough to be learning disabled and too smart to be considered mentally retarded. That is the group with little to no services

It just annoys me to no end when people perpetuate the "cold-hearted conservative" stereotype on FR
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And no I am not a member of a union.

27 posted on 04/01/2002 9:51:38 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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By usurping the money, some say Davis betrayed the education community, stole from the children of California, and broke faith with those who have trusted and supported him all these years.

That about covers it, except it probably went into his campaign fund.

28 posted on 04/01/2002 11:06:20 AM PST by Euro-American Scum
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I'd be curious to know if this is being reported in the LAT and San Francisco Chronicle. This sounds like the end of Davis. . .

I doubt you'll see so much as one word written by the major papers, and nothing reported by the electronic media.

One can only hope that Davis is finished. But if he wins, that only proves this state is hopeless. With as bad a candidate as Davis is, they might as well raise the red star over Sacramento if his smear campaign against Bill Simon succeeds.

I doubt that Ronald Reagan at his best could win in California these days.

29 posted on 04/01/2002 11:11:56 AM PST by Euro-American Scum
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To: SoftballMominVA
Here's what I remember reading. Perhaps some of it is wrong, or exaggerated, but I do remember it.

The average per pupil cost of education is about $5,000 or so. The average cost of special education is $15,000 or so. So for the price of educating three people who will probably succeed, you're educating one person who most likely won't.

I often hear rhethoric such as "Education is an investment in our kids". That makes us less unhappy when we send our tax checks out around now; we're getting something for our money in terms of future generations. But if we're making large "investments" in people who will most likely fail, what we're really doing is selling out kids who have greater ability. As you said, the people who are worse off are those who don't qualify for special education, but aren't smart enough to do well.

The whole idea of spending this much money to help people who, in the aggregate, cannot be helped strikes me as an enormous waste of our "investments". What we really need from our "investment" is people who can read, write and do a sum or two. Nothing fancy, but from what I'm seeing, we're not getting it.

I certainly think we should try to get it before we put our "investments" in the people least likely to benefit from them.

D

30 posted on 04/01/2002 11:45:04 AM PST by daviddennis
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First of all, I can only speak for my school district and my school, since that is the one with which I have experience.

Before you assume that special education children can't succede, remember, success looks different to different people. The kids I work with read/write at about a 4th grade level (these are middle schoolers) and their best case scenerio is probably a 7th grade level assuming they get some pretty good instruction in high school. (The reasons for their lack of ability in reading are as varied as the children. That is an entirely different thread though!) You would probably be appalled if your own child graduated with this level of literacy, but this is enough for them to be gainfully employed at some point. Are they going to be lawyers or doctors? Doubt it, but do we need a world of all professionals? Nope.

You say it costs more to educate them, and you are correct. I don't know the most current numbers; yours are probably low. However, any of these numbers will be a bit skewed however. Remember that special education runs the gamut from those in wheelchairs needing IV's, to deaf, blind, physically disabled, Down's syndrome, autistic, mentally retarded, and those just needing extra instruction in reading or math. Within the special education field, the severe/profound take up over 70% of the total funds allocated. The learning disabled (with which I work) generally take only a bit more than the average student.

So, we have a fact here, the severely and profoundly disabled, with IQ's of 40 or below take up a great deal of money. Some require more than $1,000,000 of instruction and care before they are 21. But what's the answer? Should they stay at home for their whole lives? Institutions? Should they not be allowed to live because they take up more than their share of resources? I don't have the answer and don't pretend to as I don't work with that population--I only work with learning disabled, emotionally disturbed, and autistic children.

Of course the severe/profound take tax payer dollars to care for during their whole lives, but what would it say about our society if we refused to give them the best we could?

31 posted on 04/01/2002 12:55:08 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: John Jorsett
I guess Davis really does hate children -- from womb until they can pay taxes for his pet projects.

I'll bet the soccor moms will flip over this ... and with everything else Davis has done. It's HIS fault we have such a serious budget crisis in the first place!

Go Simon!

32 posted on 04/01/2002 1:30:13 PM PST by Gophack
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Well, it makes complete sense to me. The State Correctional Officers Union gave Weenie Davis a campaign donation of 250,000 and he gave them a 33 per cent raise. That 135 million will sure come handy now for that raise won't it?
33 posted on 04/01/2002 3:57:09 PM PST by Enterprise
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