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California's power deals may provide shock :
The Orange County Register ^ | April 23, 2002 | JOHN HOWARD

Posted on 04/23/2002 9:09:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:05:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Savings could transfer to customers, send sign that the state's ready to negotiate, but actual effects are unclear.

SACRAMENTO -- Agreements announced Monday between the state and energy companies to renegotiate cheaper prices on billions of dollars worth of long-term power ultimately could affect ratepayers' bills and let other power companies know the state is serious about bargaining, experts say.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; california; calpowercrisis; davis; energycontracts; government; powerdeals; powerrates

1 posted on 04/23/2002 9:09:25 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 04/23/2002 9:10:40 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I will believe it when I see it. Fascist Davis and his socialists in and out of Sacramento are pushing for partial free lunches for the masses of Kali re their electrical bill. They will try to reduce the costs for a chosen few and stick it to the rest of us!
3 posted on 04/23/2002 9:20:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
These "savings" seem to be window dressing for political consumption, a way for Grayout to claim to have done something. If I order 10 cases of something but later cut the order back to 8 cases, did I really "save" anything? And when I add the caveat that if I need the other two cases after all, the supplier must pay damages if he cannot supply them, have I really done anything meaningful? It sounds to me that the entrepranuers came out ahead again but the politicians will balleyhoo this as victory.
4 posted on 04/23/2002 9:23:29 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
He needs help for his reelection campaign!
5 posted on 04/23/2002 9:24:58 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's a joke to cut the term of the contract, and then call the reduction in price "savings." California is going to have to buy that power when the time comes, and it may even be at higher rates.

Not mentioned in this article is the fact that in order to renegotiate these contracts, Davis agreed to drop all claims for overcharging in the past.

6 posted on 04/23/2002 9:25:28 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Let's see, I buy 100 widgets from you at $10,000 each (now selling for $1,000 each). You agree that you will knock 25 off my order. Even though I will still need the widgets, I have saved $250,000, or so Grayout would suggest....
7 posted on 04/23/2002 9:25:38 AM PDT by eureka!
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8 posted on 04/23/2002 9:26:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
it does send a signal to other companies that the state is willing to negotiate.

No sh!t the state is willing to negotiate. We signed contracts worth up to 5 times the going price for electricity!

I say this all the time, I will repeat it here. Never, ever, ever can a politician outsmart a good businessman. The businessmen will always have the upper hand, because they know their business better than the politician, and the politician has pressing needs that the businessman can outlast and manipulate to his advantage. That is why it is foolish for the state to ever try to run businesses and negotiate with businesses like we did with the power companies. We were doomed from the beginning.

9 posted on 04/23/2002 9:48:21 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Six months were cut from each of two 12-year wind- power contracts with Whitewater Hill and Cabazon Wind.

So what's that, about a 4% cut in the duration of the contract?

That's sort of like standing on a step ladder to get a better look at the moon.

10 posted on 04/23/2002 9:55:21 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: ElkGroveDan
Darn right nice of Governor 'Grayout' to allow our next governor Bill Simon to negotiate his own energy contracts, don't you think? {;~)

Bad enough we're 'saddled' with a few years worth of Gray's 'bumbling' as it is.

Gov GRAY to the energy companies: "You give me $3 today and I'll give you $6 for the same out-year energy after I get re-elected."

Energy companies: "Sure, Governor Gray, we already are more than the $3 ahead anyway." By the way, Gov., how'd you come by the nickname, 'DOOFUS', anyway?

11 posted on 04/23/2002 10:52:13 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Raw deal on energy? Even worse deal on Davis. Time to renegotiate the 'Doofus' contract.

12 posted on 04/23/2002 11:04:34 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: abwehr
I thought I would add the trade journal discussion on contract features of the renegotiated contracts at this point in the thread.

An electric utility trade association publication discussion of the renegotiated contract features

As Paul Harvey would say, and now for the Rest of the Story.....

14 posted on 04/23/2002 3:00:51 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: abwehr
Perhaps most important they get Lockyer off their case with his legal proceedings.

You have a way with words, I was thinking that that had to be worth quite a bit to these folks.

Any idea if Calpine is going to build all those peaker plants or if they have the money to?

I think the better question, has to do with the "regulatory climate" in California. By that I mean both the environmental regulatory climate, i.e. does a permit mean there will not be additional environmental challenges during construction. I also mean the climate by which DWR is forced to honor its contractual commitments. If the market views the contracts that are backed up by power plant revenues as not worth the paper they are written on, Calpine will have a hard time getting money. If contracts are viewed as solid commitments, then Calpine can use them for financing. Gov Davis and Lockyer by trying to find any litigation excuse to break the contracts have done a lot of harm, but by "negoitating a settlement" and dropping litigation they have mitigated the damage they did earlier.

The short answer is that I think Calpine will have some problems raising capital as the state's credit rating will be the ultimate backstop on Calpine's money and I don't expect the State to keep their credit rating unless they raise taxes, which I don't think Davis and others running for re-election will allow to happen.

16 posted on 04/23/2002 4:18:32 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
There is a Lot of good detail in that article .

Looks like they got concerned that some of the plants were in danger of not getting built!

And they came down hard on the High Desert facility for one!

Do I read that right?

17 posted on 04/23/2002 6:14:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: eureka!; Dog Gone
Reasonable point, but no.

If prices stay constant, you would have saved $225,000:

$1,000,000 - $250,000 (cost under contract) + $25,000 (new cost) = $ 225,000 savings.

Of course prices never do stay constant.

In short, you are gambling that after 10 years we will have solved this problem. Of course it's not a gamble for Davis, since he won't be in office then no matter what. (Thank goodness for small favours!)

Unfortunately, however good this may look for some people, it doesn't help our present situation in the least.

Anyone know what percentage of the current budget deficit is explained by the power crisis? I thought the whole mess cost us about $12 billion, and yet we swung from an $8 billion surplus to a $22 billion deficit - and I believe bonds were issued to pay for some of the electricity costs. So where'd that $30 billion go? That's about 37% of the whole state budget, if my memory serves - wasn't the whole thing about $ 79 billion? What was Davis thinking when he increased spending that much?

D

18 posted on 04/24/2002 8:57:08 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: daviddennis
Good points. Math was not my strength, nor economics. What I do know is that Grayout will lie about it. May the truth out....
19 posted on 04/24/2002 9:05:33 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Has anyone seen any press releases from the enviro-wackos re the Gov's energy spin? Maybe they are just preparing to go back to working against energy needs, when Mr. Simon wins?
20 posted on 04/24/2002 9:27:49 AM PDT by seenenuf
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