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California ISO Issues Stage One Power Alert!
Cal ISO ^ | 07/09/02 | Cal ISO

Posted on 07/09/2002 2:46:05 PM PDT by socal_parrot

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To: Carry_Okie
Peak demand at 99+% of peak capacity.

That's close.

OK, crank the fridge and freezer to max chill, turn on the electric range, max power on the air conditioner, all TVs and radios ON, flip on all the lights... :o)

21 posted on 07/09/2002 3:52:19 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: socal_parrot
Get used to this, is my advice. With Gray trying to get out of every contract he signed (and based on which power companies were willing to build new plants), California isn't building enough new plants to keep up with population increases.

It's funny how actions have consequences.

22 posted on 07/09/2002 3:53:51 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Poohbah
By conserving we are helping the governor. Correct.

By conserving we are also helping industry that keeps us in work and pays taxes. Long term we might be helping them, but only if they stay. They might not with too many blackouts.

Tough choice, but it would be one hell of a FReep.
23 posted on 07/09/2002 3:56:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Dog Gone
It's funny how actions have consequences.

So do inactions.

24 posted on 07/09/2002 3:57:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I thought there was usually a spike around 5 from folks getting home and firing up the AC.
25 posted on 07/09/2002 4:06:02 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: Dog Gone
Obviously Gray doesn't know this, and throughout this mess, I have never heard of a projected plan. He tries to put a band-aid on everything or lie through his teeth.
26 posted on 07/09/2002 4:08:06 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: Grampa Dave
The good news in this is that this is "news". This will be a story in tomorrow's fishwraps with a reminder of the rolling blackouts. Grayout will not like tomorrow's papers...
27 posted on 07/09/2002 4:09:13 PM PDT by eureka!
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To: socal_parrot
Cooking and heating water are a bigger deal than home AC. Industrial usage starts falling off at 3:30. Think of all the welding and heating processes for example.
28 posted on 07/09/2002 4:10:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: socal_parrot
Well, they can't blame it on greedy Enron anymore.

I gave Enron the benefit of the doubt last year, in retrospect, Enron could have been gouging at a certain point, but it's unclear they were continually holding back supply.

Gray is going to get hosed...

29 posted on 07/09/2002 4:13:15 PM PDT by Benrand
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To: Carry_Okie
When the demand was withing 1% of supply, I wonder why Cal ISO didn't go to Stage 2 or even 3? Stage 2 is withing 5% and Stage 3 is within 1.5%. Do you think the Governor's office was on the phone quashing it?
30 posted on 07/09/2002 4:15:12 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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Well it looks like Grayout is out of the woods today. It appears they kicked off some interruptable equipment at 3:30. However...........

The forecasted demand for tomorrow is for 42,500 megawatts. Based upon TODAY's supply that would put us in a Stage III. My guess is that they'll be buying up some pricey megawatts while we are all still in our pajamas tonight and tomorrow morning.

We have at least two more days of this up north here and I see that down in the Inland Empire it's no better. If we have any major generators go down later in the week we could be looking at some nail biter afternoons for Governor Dufus. They better take away all the breakables within reach of Mr. Nutcase.

31 posted on 07/09/2002 4:17:48 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Benrand
At 4:00 it is 108 degrees in Palm Springs and still rising. Palmdale is 106 and Lancaster is 112.
32 posted on 07/09/2002 4:18:20 PM PDT by NorseWood
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To: ElkGroveDan

ISO Weather Forecasts

Light yellow highlighting indicates the current date. City names highlighted in RED indicate possible data problems.

Forecast Processed:
PG&E Wed 07/10 Thu 07/11 Date
City Max Min Sky Max Min Sky
Arcata 66 [16] 52 [05] Sunny 66 [15] 51 [04] Partly Cloudy 2002/07/09 15:46
Redding 113 [17] 73 [06] Sunny 112 [17] 74 [05] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Sacramento 106 [17] 65 [06] Sunny 105 [17] 66 [05] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Stockton 106 [18] 66 [06] Clear 106 [18] 66 [05] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Santa Rosa 101 [16] 55 [06] Sunny 96 [16] 57 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
San Francisco 81 [15] 56 [05] Sunny 78 [15] 57 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Concord 103 [16] 61 [06] Sunny 99 [17] 63 [05] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
San Jose 100 [16] 60 [06] Sunny 89 [16] 64 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Fresno 110 [17] 74 [06] Sunny 109 [17] 76 [05] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Bakersfield 110 [17] 75 [06] Fair 109 [17] 77 [05] Partly Cloudy 2002/07/09 15:46
SCE Wed 07/10 Thu 07/11 Date
City Max Min Sky Max Min Sky
Los Angeles 85 [14] 64 [05] Fair 85 [14] 64 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Los Angeles Airport 75 [14] 64 [04] Fair 78 [14] 64 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Riverside 105 [16] 68 [06] Fair 102 [16] 67 [05] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Long Beach 85 [16] 65 [04] Fair 84 [16] 65 [23] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Ontario 100 [16] 67 [06] Fair 98 [16] 66 [05] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Santa Ana 80 [14] 64 [03] Fair 78 [15] 65 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
SDG&E Wed 07/10 Thu 07/11 Date
City Max Min Sky Max Min Sky
San Diego 75 [14] 63 [06] Fair 77 [14] 66 [03] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
El Cajon 93 [14] 60 [06] Fair 92 [14] 61 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46
Santee 91 [14] 61 [06] Fair 92 [14] 61 [04] Fair 2002/07/09 15:46

 

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33 posted on 07/09/2002 4:20:09 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: socal_parrot; Robert357; snopercod; Poohbah
Do you think the Governor's office was on the phone quashing it?

Very likely. You know what happens when we go over capacity without rolling blackouts? The damage would be enormous.

Somebody likely had to order that no action be taken. That is serious news. If Davis is taking those kinds of risks with this economy just to save his sorry behind, he should be be held accountable for it even if nothing happened. Tomorrow may be worse.

34 posted on 07/09/2002 4:20:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: socal_parrot
Do you think the Governor's office was on the phone quashing it?

I'd certainly have no problem believing this. But it doesn't really matter whether the ISO "declares" it or not; if demand outstrips supply, the power companies will have to kick in the rolling blackouts or else risk having the entire power grid collapse. And I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the public will notice that. Grayout Davis may be able to bend and break a lot of laws, but he's powerless against the laws of physics.

35 posted on 07/09/2002 4:23:22 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Carry_Okie
Your metaphor is even closer to reality. I said last summer Davis was like Quint from Jaws, a madman...

And in the movie, Quint also pushed his boat past the breaking point.

This summer is going to be crazier than last.

36 posted on 07/09/2002 4:28:56 PM PDT by Benrand
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; John Robinson
To find all articles tagged or indexed using Calpowercrisis, click below...

Hmmm. Seems like the new software doesn't offer ALL articles tagged, only the last 30-35 or so, with no way to go further back. Are my eyes missing an "archives" button or something?

37 posted on 07/09/2002 4:29:07 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; socal_parrot
I guess the lines did get pretty close together after all!

Kind of interesting how fast they can call a Stage One power alert!

38 posted on 07/09/2002 4:34:35 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: ElkGroveDan
Wow, 81 in SF tomorrow. Most San Franciscans are so used to being pampered by "perfect" weather that they'll freak out at 81 in a way the rest of the country wouldn't until it hit 105 or so. That should be amusing to watch. I still remember last year when the city practically declared a state of emergency because it hit 90.
39 posted on 07/09/2002 4:35:38 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Grampa Dave
Somehow, the reality of how we are squeaking by without blackouts last year and this year need to be tied into the Davis Recession and slumping economy.

True, but don't forget to factor in that most Californians still believe the whole "power crisis" thing is a total scam created in order to jack up their power bills, which I believe are, or at least used to be, artifically low due to some wacko RAT law out there or something. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.) So they utterly refuse to make the most minor concessions in order to save electricity when supply gets tight, because there "isn't really any such thing as a power alert" and they don't have to pay the true cost of their consumption anyway.

I mean, something's got to be accounting for the state hitting 99%+ of peak capacity, Davis Recession or not.

40 posted on 07/09/2002 4:42:06 PM PDT by Timesink
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