Posted on 07/09/2002 2:46:05 PM PDT by socal_parrot
He sure was. I remember it. Curse those greedy Enron executives! < / sarcasm >
I suggest you might need to check your setting.
Now if you are using the keyword search then it is different.
Whoa! I can see somebody at the Gov's office trying to supress the announcement from being sent to the media, but not being allowed to totally supress the announcement. Honest folks at the ISO wouldn't allow that.
It will be interesting to see if this is a big story on the California evening TV news and what the papers say tomorrow morning. Depending on how the media play things this could be a disaster for Gov. Davis. I expect that if there is spinning going on the LA Times will lead with a story that blames Reliant, Mirant, and Calpine with trying to extract revenge on the poor people of California.
As someone who has sat in a dispatchers chair at an electric utility (even if it was only for a short time during a strike), I would like to say that one doesn't order dispatchers to do anything. A dispatcher will do what their Standard Operating Procedures dictate and that there own judgement and experience warrants. They will move heaven and earth to make sure the lights stay on.
Yes, I do know what happens if load exceeds generation and nothing is done. A New York, east coast style cascading blackout. The real hero there was a dispatcher who pulled the plug and didn't let the system take his generation down. That is what helped get things back because without that dispatcher there would have been a much more massive "black start" condition.
If the folks at the dispatch chairs at the Cal ISO are like any of the dispatchers I know, anyone at the ISO who would try to block emergency action would soon be ordered out of the control center.
You are absolutely right that tomorrow will be higher loads. Hopefully, some of the unplanned outages will be fixed by then. That is the real story to follow as well as all the folks in neighboring states who are cranking up hydro and bringing on-line thermal projects.
Tomorrow should be a very interesting day to read newspapers and to periodically check the Cal ISO system status page.
Perhaps the Cal ISO system page might be one of the first "unneccessary" expenditures of electricity to be shut down?
-PJ
Tell you what, because I like your style, if the site goes down tomorrow, I will post links to some other electric utility websites that can indirectly tell us all what is going on in California. How's that?
P.S. Earth to Gov. Davis, you can't supress the truth.
Sounds great.
-PJ
One would hope. Here is my concern:
First, if neither a Stage 2 or Stage 3 Alert was called, then as far as I can tell they are already violating procedures. That indicates the potential for pressure.
Second, it would seem to me that a quick failure of a single piece of equipment could cause that 1% dip in production capacity; i.e., that 1% is too close without shutting something down. Here is where I am ignorant and why I flagged you knowing that you had direct experience.
Thus (if my assumptions are correct), at that level of criticality I have a hard time believing that the procedures call for holding fast.
That means we might well be justified in asking if there was an order.
Under such circumstances, I don't have a problem envisioning a dispatcher going too close to the edge, especially if there is money in it.
Just plug an accurate freqency meter into your wall at home - a Fluke 87 or similar. When the grid frequency is dragged down near 59.2 Hz, it's all over.
You mean, like, from the Governor?
And the heat of the summer has just begun. August and September are the hottest months of the year, at least in So Cal.
Go Simon!
No it isn't. You could shut off all the power in Kalifornistan and the Democrat Taliban that infest the place will still re-elect him by double-digit leads.
Well between 3:45 and 4:45 pm my thermometer on my west sumbich deck in the shade hit 111. Cooling down now to 107.
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