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California ISO Issues Stage One Power Alert!
Cal ISO ^ | 07/09/02 | Cal ISO

Posted on 07/09/2002 2:46:05 PM PDT by socal_parrot

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To: Earl B.
Governor Davis was on T.V. last summer with a shovel in his hand beginning work on the many new power plants that were going to be on line by this summer, so we won't have ANY power shortages.

He sure was. I remember it. Curse those greedy Enron executives! < / sarcasm >

41 posted on 07/09/2002 4:43:28 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: Timesink
I can retrieve articles all the way back to March way more than 30.
I have my profile so to get the maximum on searches.

I suggest you might need to check your setting.
Now if you are using the keyword search then it is different.

42 posted on 07/09/2002 4:44:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Carry_Okie
Somebody likely had to order that no action be taken.

Whoa! I can see somebody at the Gov's office trying to supress the announcement from being sent to the media, but not being allowed to totally supress the announcement. Honest folks at the ISO wouldn't allow that.

It will be interesting to see if this is a big story on the California evening TV news and what the papers say tomorrow morning. Depending on how the media play things this could be a disaster for Gov. Davis. I expect that if there is spinning going on the LA Times will lead with a story that blames Reliant, Mirant, and Calpine with trying to extract revenge on the poor people of California.

As someone who has sat in a dispatchers chair at an electric utility (even if it was only for a short time during a strike), I would like to say that one doesn't order dispatchers to do anything. A dispatcher will do what their Standard Operating Procedures dictate and that there own judgement and experience warrants. They will move heaven and earth to make sure the lights stay on.

Yes, I do know what happens if load exceeds generation and nothing is done. A New York, east coast style cascading blackout. The real hero there was a dispatcher who pulled the plug and didn't let the system take his generation down. That is what helped get things back because without that dispatcher there would have been a much more massive "black start" condition.

If the folks at the dispatch chairs at the Cal ISO are like any of the dispatchers I know, anyone at the ISO who would try to block emergency action would soon be ordered out of the control center.

You are absolutely right that tomorrow will be higher loads. Hopefully, some of the unplanned outages will be fixed by then. That is the real story to follow as well as all the folks in neighboring states who are cranking up hydro and bringing on-line thermal projects.

Tomorrow should be a very interesting day to read newspapers and to periodically check the Cal ISO system status page.

43 posted on 07/09/2002 4:53:50 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
Tomorrow should be a very interesting day to read newspapers and to periodically check the Cal ISO system status page.

Perhaps the Cal ISO system page might be one of the first "unneccessary" expenditures of electricity to be shut down?

-PJ

44 posted on 07/09/2002 4:58:27 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Political Junkie Too
Perhaps the Cal ISO system page might be one of the first "unneccessary" expenditures of electricity to be shut down?

Tell you what, because I like your style, if the site goes down tomorrow, I will post links to some other electric utility websites that can indirectly tell us all what is going on in California. How's that?

P.S. Earth to Gov. Davis, you can't supress the truth.

45 posted on 07/09/2002 5:02:51 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
How's that?

Sounds great.

-PJ

46 posted on 07/09/2002 5:11:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: socal_parrot
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 9, 2002

DAVIS POWER CRISIS EXTENDS TO THIRD SUMMER California Experiences Second Stage One Alert of Year

FRESNO - For the second time this year, California has experienced a Stage one power alert, once again exposing Governor Gray Davis' failure to get a handle on the energy crisis that has plagued the second half of his administration.

"The fact that the state is once again at the point where it has to consider curtailing the availability of power to various users is deplorable," declared gubernatorial candidate Bill Simon.

"Gray Davis has hosted numerous public events where he has taken credit for boosting California's available energy supply. Almost all of the energy supplies he has claimed credit for were the work of previous administrations, and his failure to act in the last two years is once again putting California in jeopardy for interrupted power supplies," Simon concluded.

Peak demand today reached 41,778 megawatts, which actually exceeded the total amount of power available early in the day, which was only 41,000 megawatts.

With warm weather expected to continue for the next 36-48 hours the state's power grid will continue to be pushed to the limit and Gray Davis' inability to lead will continue to be exposed.

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BILL SIMON FOR GOVERNOR
770 L STREET, SUITE 1110
SACRAMENTO, CA 95814
WWW.SIMONFORGOVERNOR.COM
47 posted on 07/09/2002 5:12:14 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Manure Haulers to strawberries? Hmmmm......
48 posted on 07/09/2002 5:13:35 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: ElkGroveDan
This will only drive GrayDown's already terrible negative ratings UP even more at a time when he's looking for relief. Looks like he's feeling the effects of the heat.
49 posted on 07/09/2002 5:15:36 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Robert357
A dispatcher will do what their Standard Operating Procedures dictate and that there own judgement and experience warrants.

One would hope. Here is my concern:

First, if neither a Stage 2 or Stage 3 Alert was called, then as far as I can tell they are already violating procedures. That indicates the potential for pressure.

Second, it would seem to me that a quick failure of a single piece of equipment could cause that 1% dip in production capacity; i.e., that 1% is too close without shutting something down. Here is where I am ignorant and why I flagged you knowing that you had direct experience.

Thus (if my assumptions are correct), at that level of criticality I have a hard time believing that the procedures call for holding fast.

That means we might well be justified in asking if there was an order.

Under such circumstances, I don't have a problem envisioning a dispatcher going too close to the edge, especially if there is money in it.

50 posted on 07/09/2002 5:16:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
It's the simplest thing in the world to predict a system crash.

Just plug an accurate freqency meter into your wall at home - a Fluke 87 or similar. When the grid frequency is dragged down near 59.2 Hz, it's all over.

51 posted on 07/09/2002 5:20:04 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: Carry_Okie
especially if there is money in it.

You mean, like, from the Governor?

52 posted on 07/09/2002 5:21:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ElkGroveDan
With warm weather expected to continue for the next 36-48 hours the state's power grid will continue to be pushed to the limit and Gray Davis' inability to lead will continue to be exposed.

And the heat of the summer has just begun. August and September are the hottest months of the year, at least in So Cal.

Go Simon!

53 posted on 07/09/2002 5:22:20 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: NorseWood
Grayout Davis is really sweating now!

No it isn't. You could shut off all the power in Kalifornistan and the Democrat Taliban that infest the place will still re-elect him by double-digit leads.

54 posted on 07/09/2002 5:22:39 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: ElkGroveDan
I would hate to be the owner of any plant that tripped off line due to a failure of some kind right now. Especially if that owner was...say...Mirant, or Duke, or...
55 posted on 07/09/2002 5:23:04 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: socal_parrot
Don't forget the sweltering legislative chambers in Sacramento. ;-)
56 posted on 07/09/2002 5:23:14 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Poohbah
You asked, "What is the exact temperature of a sumbich, anyway?"

Well between 3:45 and 4:45 pm my thermometer on my west sumbich deck in the shade hit 111. Cooling down now to 107.

57 posted on 07/09/2002 5:24:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: snopercod; All; sasquatch
59.2Hz. Power factor?

I don't have a frequency meter or I would put one on a data logger.

Can a FUBAR propagate faster than they can react? Where would you draw the line?
58 posted on 07/09/2002 5:25:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: goldstategop
Most of the legislature have already had their brain fried. Or at least it seems that way.
59 posted on 07/09/2002 5:25:20 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: Grampa Dave
We were at 114°
60 posted on 07/09/2002 5:25:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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