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California: Davis will sign auto-emissions bill on July 22
Orange County Register ^ | July 13, 2002 | John Howard

Posted on 07/13/2002 11:00:38 AM PDT by John Jorsett

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:05:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: SierraWasp
So you're saying Sal Russo who helped Reagan win CA is not doing it right, right?

Russo doesn't have the free reign ever since Bush blackmailed Simon into running the race how Bush wants it run. Remember, Bush lost 2000's popular vote. The California Gov. will be elected by a popular vote. I hope Simon wins, I just don't think he will based upon his "non-campaign" campaign. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

41 posted on 07/13/2002 10:01:12 PM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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To: SierraWasp
"I've admired you ever since you threatened to quit your Brokerage Firm when they proposed to have the bent one come and speak at their big meeting."

The threat was on TV, I did it physically the next morning and let them know why in no kind terms.

I've also spent my life in construction and they can take their "green" programs, anti mining and loging, and anti oil drilling and stick them where the sun doesn't shine. Minerals are where the good lord put them and lumber comes from trees that grow where they are, not where some enviromentalist would like so you have to obtain them where they are and not where the whackos tell you that it's OK!

42 posted on 07/13/2002 10:11:07 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: John Jorsett
"The rules would reduce the level of greenhouse gases, largely carbon dioxide and methane..."

At the risk of sounding ignorant, I have 3 questions:

1) Don't cars emit carbon MONOXIDE?

2)Don't humans emit carbon DIOXIDE?

3)Don't plants convert carbon DIOXIDE into oxygen?

43 posted on 07/13/2002 10:16:26 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle
Uh, I think so.....so this may end like the tree-hugging fire starters with DAVIS causing an endangered plant that might save the planet to become extinct because it NEEDS the CO2 he's getting rid of?
44 posted on 07/13/2002 10:27:24 PM PDT by Johnny Crab
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To: Free the USA
...this should be over ruled by the US Congress using the commerce clause because it will affect the price of cars for me up in Washington State even though I can't vote against Davis.

Interesting proposal. There is legal justification for it, too. From The Fed’s Depression and the Birth of the New Deal

In 1942..."Ohio dairy farmer Roscoe Filburn was prosecuted successfully by the compassionate federal government for violating the Agricultural Adjustment Act by growing grain for his family’s direct use. In a unanimous decision, the now-tamed Supreme Court ruled that Filburn had engaged in interstate commerce by not engaging in it. Filburn, the Court ruled, should have purchased the grain with which he fed his cows, chickens, and family, not raised it himself. In order to permit the federal government a wide range of action, New Dealers destroyed the doctrine of enumerated powers."

45 posted on 07/14/2002 3:14:56 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Texas Eagle
1) Don't cars emit carbon MONOXIDE?

CO is a byproduct of incomplete burning of hydrocarbons, such as gasoline. CO2 is the final form when burning is complete. (The other main byproduct is water vapor.)

When an engine burns gasoline, it typically doesn't burn every last drop of gas completely, especially if insufficient oxygen was available to some molecules of gas. Some carbon monoxide results, but not nearly as much as the carbon dioxide that is generated.

Oxygenated gasoline is required in some places to reduce the cumulative emission of carbon monoxide and other poisonous chemicals by making burning more complete. MTBE and ethanol are oxygenates that may be added to satisfy "clean-burning" requirements, but MTBE was found to leak into groundwater. It was supposed to be phased out by the end of this year, but, fearing ethanol would raise gas prices steeply, which would hurt his reelection campaign, Davis extended the deadline by one year.

Plants use carbon dioxide and release oxygen during photosynthesis. The opposite occurs during respiration, but, overall, more oxygen than carbon dioxide is released.

46 posted on 07/14/2002 4:58:25 AM PDT by heleny
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Either this bill is useless and cannot change anything, or it's a Trojan Horse giving more power to the unelected CARB to legislate what the Legislature can't or won't pass into law.

It's not the former. Even if CARB won't make the legislature raise gas taxes, impose mileage penalties, or impose surcharges based on the type of car, they can still ban particular models of cars, require curtailment of vehicle emissions, (maybe set vehicle weight limits, ) set ownership goals for non-traditionally powered cars, etc. -- all to reduce harmless carbon dioxide.

47 posted on 07/14/2002 5:14:00 AM PDT by heleny
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To: Kobyashi1942
Congrats for voting for Simon. No hard feelings. I don;t normally flame folks but you have that edge to your posts that rankled me. I'm not as inclined to bail-out on Simon as some would appear to be ready to do.

Simon knew he was a long shot and a dark horse. But, evidently, enough folks liked him and supported him after Davi$ massacred Riordan in the press (Actually, I think Riordan and his wife committed politicide myself).

The fact that Davi$ has already blown both his feet off and its only mid-July and he is using all his heavy ammo in the ads , says to me, Fine , take your shot. We'll see what he has left after Labor Day. After all this crap slung on SiMon, you'd think how much more could there be :-? Don't answer that.
48 posted on 07/14/2002 8:18:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: snopercod
It is my understanding that the legitimate use of the Commerce Clause allows congress to pass laws overruling State's laws whose effect is to unduly interfere with interstate commerce. This law because its affects go beyond California can legitimately be overruled without stepping on legitimate State's rights. This act will raise the price of and change the engines of cars sold across the country not just those sold in California.
49 posted on 07/14/2002 9:23:25 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: TheDon
I disagree. I am hoping davis gets defeated. Realistically, I think he'll win by a landslide. California is just that far down the tubes. If you're one of the few conservatives left in kalifornia, I suggest you move to arizona, nevada, oregon, idaho, new mexico or utah. This way you can strengthen the conservative population in those states. Kalifornia's demise could actually strengthen it's neighbors.
50 posted on 07/14/2002 9:36:42 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: Free the USA
I think the way it will affect the price of cars in Washington state is if your liberal legislature passes the same goofy laws. I think eastern oregon and eastern washington should divorce themselves from the parasites west of the cascades and form their own state.
51 posted on 07/14/2002 9:40:24 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: John Jorsett
I my mind davis is very clever. Very cynical also. He knows he's got the republican beat. This bill means he'll beat the greens guy also. The bill doesn't take affect till 2009 and by that time, who cares? There's plenty of time to ammend and overturn it out of existence, which, imho will happen.

This bill is just a ploy to get re-elected.

52 posted on 07/14/2002 9:44:25 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: glockmeister40
If the Auto makers have to redesign their car-lines in order to keep selling as many vehicles in California it will cost everyone.
53 posted on 07/14/2002 9:45:23 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Timesink
Just what we needed to get the troops rallied...I forwarded this post to my entire California Email list asking for petition signature help when it's available. One more suggestion: Would like to do voter registration in conjuncation somehow..."Save your SUVs - Register to Vote".
54 posted on 07/14/2002 10:01:24 AM PDT by TatieBug
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To: glockmeister40
I'll take your suggestion! Actually I've been thinking of moving for awhile. The Dems running the state do not give me any reason to change my mind. They are ruining the economy of this state.
55 posted on 07/14/2002 12:49:24 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: NormsRevenge
Congrats for voting for Simon. No hard feelings. I don;t normally flame folks but you have that edge to your posts that rankled me. I'm not as inclined to bail-out on Simon as some would appear to be ready to do.

Saying "no hard feelings" after calling me a buttwhipe isn't my idea of an appology. I didn't personally attack you, I just stated what I perceive as the truth: Simon is running a horrible campaign.

A. When I had the paper I offered Simon very positive, anti-Riordan coverage last fall before the election. The idiotic campaign manager couldn't even find ten minutes for Simon to speak with a CONSERVATIVE paper in Los Anglese FROM HIS HOME TOWN, PACIFIC PALISADES. Having grown up in Los Angeles I couldn't stand Riordan since he was nothing more than a Democrat in sheep's clothing.

B. Davis is tearing Simon a new one in the press and in TV commercials. I've seen but one silly ad that Simon has come out with. One. I'm on Simon's mailing list and I see his press releases a few times a week. They appear to be poorly thought out visa-vis the news of the week.

C. Volunteers. About two weeks ago the Simon campaign sent out an e-mail to those on his list requesting volunteers to work on his campaign. I called and offered my services, that is 22 years of Republican campaign experience working for Reagan, Dornan, Bruce Herschenso, Pete Wilson, Duekmajian, Dan Idiot Lungren, varios Assembly candidates as well as running a politically conservative newspaper out of Los Angeles (how many of those are there in LA?). I called the minute I got the e-mail. Zip, zero, nada, nothing. I've spoken to two other people from my Church who have also called the campaign to volunteer and they have heard nothing also. Logic would suggest that perhaps the lady who is running the volunteer aspect of the campaign is a Democrat since they've succeeded in turning me and others off the Simon campaign.

Simon knew he was a long shot and a dark horse. But, evidently, enough folks liked him and supported him after Davi$ massacred Riordan in the press (Actually, I think Riordan and his wife committed politicide myself).

Riordan was politically dead before Davis started on him. Simon was saying the right things before the March election: Vote for me and you'll get Ronald Reagan. I didn't know a single Republican in L.A., Riordan's hometown, that supported Riordan. We all detested him. We enjoyed what we were hearing from Simon. Now we hear nothing. He's too busy moving to the center and waffling on gun control and illegal aliens. He is also pretty silent on what programs he's going to cut if he takes office.

The fact that Davi$ has already blown both his feet off and its only mid-July and he is using all his heavy ammo in the ads , says to me, Fine , take your shot. We'll see what he has left after Labor Day. After all this crap slung on SiMon, you'd think how much more could there be :-? Don't answer that.

Uhmmm..I don't know how to break it to you sir, but Davis hasn't even gotten warmed up. He is the most politically astute California politician I've ever seen. Sure, he makes mistakes and I'm not saying he's supper man, but I was extremly impressed how he came from behind in 1998, down double digits at one point, to beat the snot out of Lungren (sp?). It was the largest percentage victory in the History of California if I remember correctly. He has energized his base, teachers, social workers, immigrants, union workers and ofcourse, the all-powerful pro-choice (death) crowd. Let's just say that Simon seems to lack the fire in the belly that burns a tad too bright in Davis.

In summation, I hope Simon wins, he'll just have to do it without me and my family.

56 posted on 07/14/2002 3:52:14 PM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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To: Kobyashi1942
He has energized his base, teachers, social workers, immigrants, union workers and ofcourse, the all-powerful pro-choice (death) crowd.

We Shall See Who Is Left Standing November 6th. I am sorry to see you have so much praise for such a person as Davi$. This state has been destroyed with his hands at the helm. MTBE, Deficits, Energy Crisis to name a few of his acts or (mis)acts.. Yup .. What a leader.
57 posted on 07/14/2002 4:30:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
We Shall See Who Is Left Standing November 6th. I am sorry to see you have so much praise for such a person as Davi$. This state has been destroyed with his hands at the helm. MTBE, Deficits, Energy Crisis to name a few of his acts or (mis)acts.. Yup .. What a leader.

You are one emotional person. What is your emotional investement in this campaign? I state the obvious and you act like you've just run out of Prozac or something. Make sure your prescription is filled before November 5th, you're going to need it if you can't handle a little political observation.

58 posted on 07/14/2002 9:26:01 PM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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