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Christine update (Steele blames Christine supporters for loss of children!)
CTI ^ | 1/02/02 | E. Steele

Posted on 03/02/2002 11:37:17 AM PST by RGSpincich

CTIpresents a
Press Release from E. Steele attorney at law
An Update

January 7, 2002

Fast forward to:

Re: Brian and Ruth Christine & Oregon's Legalized Child Theft Ring -

Brian and Ruth still sit in jail in Oregon, held on what I consider to be exorbitantly unconstitutional bail in excess of half million dollars each. They just keep adding to the criminal charges, thus the statutory bail just keeps rising, due to each charge. This is what is known as "throwing the book at them."

The criminal actions have now been deferred into mid-2002, and are being consolidated. This is for the alleged kidnapping (I refuse to dignify the taking of one's own children as true kidnapping) at gunpoint. The gun is the real problem. Oregon's Measure Eleven minimum sentencing requirements really mandate an exceptionally stiff penalty against both parents. This is the result of so-called "tough on crime" initiatives - they set too wide a net and ensnare those, like Brian and Ruth, who should be dealt with in understanding and with leniency.

The termination-of-parental-rights trial (about the three oldest girls) is set for late next month and looks bad. The only bright spot is that Ruth's parents almost certainly will be the ones getting the three girls. They will then take them back home to England, of course.(Note-The Christines agreed to relinqish their parental rights in mid January. The necessary papers have been signed and the three oldest girls are expected to be adopted by Ruth's parents.)

Brian's public defender made an unfortunate statement to the press about cutting a deal and precipitated a flood of vituperation from the people in Grants Pass who were advising the Christines all along. They loudly accused all the Christine lawyers, including myself, of selling Brian and Ruth down the river in typical lawyer fashion. Sigh. But for those people advising this young couple, they wouldn't be in jail today, with their children living in two different states. They would be an intact family unit somewhere.

I agree that the legal system, especially in Oregon, is abysmal and needs a radical overhaul. However, I am not willing to sacrifice Brian and Ruth to that objective, particularly since it would be a futile sacrifice. Those people in Grants Pass really need to figure out that they are a part of the problem in some of these cases down there; an example of creating your own opposition.

About that "deal." Brian's case is so over-the-top that a deal seems pretty unlikely; he likely will be better off taking his chances with a jury. Ruth is a somewhat different story, since she did not actually wield any weapons and was not present when that happened, though conspiracy law sees her charged with the same offenses as Brian. A deal for her might be the best approach. Time will tell. A deal about the termination issue, especially since that is heard by a judge without a jury, seems the most likely and is viable only because of Ruth's parents being likely foster parents for the girls.

I'll keep you posted on this case, too, but as I said before: this is a really tough case to get a good result in, from here on out. We did well in getting the two youngest girls into the hands of Brian's mother, but that was because we were able to work within courts in other jurisdictions (Indiana and Montana). Oregon is furious over those two defeats and has pulled out all the stops on the remaining Christine cases, which are all solely within its own jurisdiction.

The contributions from many of the good people on this list (bless you, you know who you are) enabled us to pay for attorney fees and court costs in both Montana and Indiana, including hiring an Indiana law firm to finish the guardianship of Abbey Rose there. We fell a little short, but I made that up out of my own pocket and am confident that we will still see donations that will cover everything before we are done.


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Finally a voice of reason from the Christine camp regarding the Grant's Pass crowd. Steele is stating what many on this forum have maintained from the very beginning. Brian and Ruth Christine could have received the help that they needed and their family could have remained intact. Michael Sieradzki and the others who have prodded the Christines into their current situation will no doubt brand Steele a traitor. But it is they who betrayed a family from out of town. I was threatened (ridiculously) with legal action by Sieradzki on an old "Christine" thread for stating basically the same thing Steele is saying now.

Those on this forum who supposedly investigated this case never once questioned the motives of Sieradzki et al. “Eyewitness” accounts from known anti-government advisors to the Chistines were given more weight than published news reports. Standard issues such as the Christines “waiving time” to a speedy trial were vehemently denied even though it was obvious that this had occurred. Now it seems the house of cards has crumbled and the Christine advisors are being seen for what they really are, manipulative.

In mid January the Christines relinquished their parental rights. Ruth Christine’s parents are expected to adopt the three oldest girls and move them to England. The criminal trial is set to begin March 19th in Douglas County.

1 posted on 03/02/2002 11:37:17 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
Christines relinquish parental rights
2 posted on 03/02/2002 11:41:31 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Catspaw ; Poohbah ; justshutupandtakeit ; Roscoe ; TruthWillWin ; Cultural Jihad ; Bhud
Thought this might interest you. Even Edgar Steele sees the Grant's Pass crowd for what they are.
3 posted on 03/02/2002 11:51:18 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: GuillermoX
FYI
4 posted on 03/02/2002 12:10:45 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
How come no one talks about the Yates family living on a converted grayhound bus with 3 kids up until 1999?
5 posted on 03/02/2002 12:12:50 PM PST by alisasny
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To: RGSpincich
Thanks for the ping.

These folks led the Christines down the wrong path and now that the Christines have lost their children and face lengthy prison sentences, their former "supporters" are no where to be found. I'd like their former "supporters" to be held accountable for their actions, but I doubt if that'll ever happen. Those people were working at cross-purposes to the needs of the Christines, only putting forth their own agenda, without thought of the consequences of their actions--to the Christines and their children. I hope the Christines have awakened to the ignorance and malevolence of these people, and that they serve as a warning beacon for all those who get involved with these type of individuals.

6 posted on 03/02/2002 12:12:52 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: alisasny
How come no one talks about the Yates family living on a converted grayhound bus with 3 kids up until 1999?

Actually, that was brought up in one of the Yates threads this past week. The consensus, as I remember it, was that it was abusive.

7 posted on 03/02/2002 12:13:57 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: alisasny
That's kind of spooky.
8 posted on 03/02/2002 12:18:00 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
The midnight express in Oregon...social service taliban-terrorist nazis---I see a big settlement coming for this one!
9 posted on 03/02/2002 12:20:52 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
The people who know the facts, and are working with the Christines, are just trying to minimize the damage to them.
10 posted on 03/02/2002 12:37:03 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
Of course...I see civil tribunals coming over these injustices---janet reno too!
11 posted on 03/02/2002 12:39:02 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: 2sheep; Thinkin' Gal
FYI...
12 posted on 03/02/2002 12:43:11 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RGSpincich
I attended college in Oregon---I have a business...Oregon is a total blackout--BOYCOTT--protest! Big time!!
13 posted on 03/02/2002 1:05:47 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: RGSpincich
I see you're still salivating over the image of state social workers taking these children from their parents. Maybe you're doing more than salivating, given the morbid fascination this case apparently holds for you.

I suggest you seek professional help for your obvious mental illness. Something serious is definitely wrong with you.

14 posted on 03/02/2002 2:58:12 PM PST by Twodees
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To: RGSpincich
I was threatened (ridiculously) with legal action by Sieradzki on an old "Christine" thread for stating basically the same thing Steele is saying now.

I wonder if Lightstream is going to initiate legal action against Steele? Those idiots advising the poor Christines should be sued by Brian and Ruth..

15 posted on 03/02/2002 4:35:30 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Twodees
You sound just like the people that had been advising Brian and Ruth before sanity came into the picture..
16 posted on 03/02/2002 4:44:14 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Catspaw

The Salon Bolsheviki have an utter dedication to their cause. No sacrifice is too great to bear, just so long as it's someone else doing the sacrificing for them.

17 posted on 03/02/2002 6:04:04 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
The Salon Bolsheviki have an utter dedication to their cause. No sacrifice is too great to bear, just so long as it's someone else doing the sacrificing for them.

Damn, I hate it when someone is more succinct than I am :-))

18 posted on 03/02/2002 6:06:59 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Twodees
I see you're still salivating over the image of state social workers taking these children from their parents.

Three of the children will be adopted by Ruth Christine's parents. The two youngest children are in the custody of Brian Christine's mother. Social workers aren't taking these children. Christine family members are.

19 posted on 03/02/2002 6:09:07 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Yes and that worries you and Spincich no end. The state goons took the children from the parents to start with. That is what I was referring to. If you would like to argue now that they never did, you'll at least remain true to form.
20 posted on 03/02/2002 6:14:39 PM PST by Twodees
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