That you have to tell us that is indication of a serious problem.
i've been here two more years than you, #%@%#@%$#@%$#. in case you're too dull to notice, allow me to point out that it is in fact you, and your republican party ilk, who is (are) hijacking fr.
i guess all of us "naysayers" are kind of suspending judgement unless and until you explain to us how importing 65 million democrat voters into this country benefits our sons and daughters.
still waiting.
still waiting.
is that silence i hear?
Sure, the tax cut could have been larger...but that it IS at all is an extraordinary accomplishment.
Should the education policy include vouchers? Yes. And, with a Republican congress this can be added to the new performance measurements now part of the education system.
Is Bush providing blanket amnesty for illegals? NO.
Will Bush sign CFR? Probably. But, we just don't know yet.
But, what about the Kyoto Treaty? I remember the president being beaten about the head and neck not only here, but throughout the world. He threw this piece of trash in the garbage to protect the American economy. Let's give him some credit.
The president is also returning the value and sanctity of life to the American conscience. We're no longer paying for abortions throughout the world, the pre-born child now has rights to medical care, life cannot be created for research, and (again, with a Republican senate) this president will sign a bill banning partial birth abortion.
And, this nonsense about "not prosecuting the Clintons" is just that...nonsense. Like it or not, the plebs get one "shot" at taking out the "king". We had our chance. The House had the guts to impeach Clinton, the Senate had the guts to let him off without even pretending to hold a trial.
Yes, Clinton is a felon. Yes, Clinton is a fraud. Yes, Clinton is the worst man who ever was or will be president. Yes, he got away with it. Let it go.
And, let's not forget that while Bush is the leader, he must operate in a political environment that all too often resembles a swamp. If you really want to see what he's made of...get out there and work to give Bush a Republican congress.
*Sigh*
MUST I POST THIS AGAIN???????
To: All
In the past year, the following "I won't vote for Bush if..." threads have been posted
"Bush to cave on Kyoto"
"Bush to cave on 2nd amendment rights"
"Bush to cave on tax reduction"
"Bush to cave on stem cell research"
"Bush to cave social security"
"Bush to cave ON and On and ON"
In every one of those examples Bush fought and got 90% of his demands met in Congress or in the case of Kyoto and UN funding for abortion acted on his and told the UN to go to hell. That is never enough, there is always the next "watershed decision" that many here dream up to avoid supporting a Republican and, make NO mistake it is the hated Republican that sticks in the craw of many here, that term is more hated by the libertarians, paleo-conservatives and assorted DU trolls than the term liberal has ever been subjected to.
It seems that every day there is a new "I won't support Bush if..." thread that generates a lot of outrage and yet when the actual "event" happens there is never a thread that retracts the hysteria exhibited earlier. There is NO way a politician will ever appease the single issue voter. Just as his steel tariffs have pissed off the free traders amongst us, it is what the " Buchanan America firsters" have been demanding and yet the AF faction on this site do not even acknowledge that Bush heard them, to the contrary, they whine it is too little too late.
Instead of all this whining and crocodile tears, just admit right out loud that nothing this man does will suffice and that he needs to be replaced with the best "conservative" candidate. However; the name of that candidate appears to be a closely guarded secret since no one has actually named this person because it surely cannot be anyone of the 1% vote getters that we know today.
End of rant
114 posted on 3/7/02 9:51 PM Eastern by Texasforever
This is odd, you seem to think that FR is a republican forum. Have you ever read the mission statement? Do you see the word "republican" mentioned? I think maybe you pompom shakers are the hijackers here.
I enjoyed reading what you have pointed out, and am thankful that you took the time to write it for all to see.
I think the time for casting aspersions to those of us who legitimately and from the bottoms of our conservative hearts are concerned about recent events that could only be interpreted as, well, hardly conservative.
Campaign finance reform? Amnesty for illegal aliens? Throwing more bucks into the education money maw? Pickering left to die a slow death while Dems nip his ankles to shreds? An extra 13 weeks of unemployment when there's NOT even a recession?
If your argument is that passionate conservatives don't have some issues here well I'd argue that you are very wrong.
But what I WILL do, since you brought up the subject, is ponder that perhaps there are legitimate reasons for approaching these issues in the manner that they have been and we, the minions, are not privy to this reasoning.
First, the hijacking of the senate by the Dems put a monkey wrench in things. Whatever had been planned no doubt had to be reconfigured because of this fine mess. It could be that Bush, Cheney, et al, have decided to give in where they have to awaiting a breathless takeover of the House and Senate by the pubbies. A very real possibility I'd think, what with the popular President and a lackluster Dem party struggling for an issue.
Or it could be that Bush is the sort of guy who will give and give and give. Then, like a sapling tree bent backwards until the truck is ready to snap, springs forth with a vengeance, exerting the unleashed force to the astonishment of those who thought the tree would bend forever.
Okay, so this sounds like psycho-babble. But this is sometimes my methodology whenever I've been thrown into a supervisory situation and had to find my footing. Supervising a small accounting department and running an entire country are two distinctly different things, however, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
Finally, maybe the pubbies are trying a two-prong attack. Prong 1, improve their slick-haired, wingtip image by giving extra unemployment benefits and allowing 200K aliens to slip under the radar THIS time. Prong 2, while improving said image, boom, take away every Democrat issue coming down the pike.
Let me delineate a bit more:
---Pickering was allowed to die because his appointment was not all that important. It is the Supreme Court nominees that really matter and by that time, the pubbies will have all the power.
---The cost of extra unemployment benefits and that handy $600 bucks given back to us last year is minimal really, in the grand scheme of federal funds. By pubbie kind agreement to this they can argue in the next election what nice guys they are.
---Making all of those airport jobs federal was a darn nice thing of the pubbies to do. Who says all the federal workers have to vote Dem? It was Bush, after all, who signed the legislation to pay them more for even worse job performance. Gotta love this.
---That Cleveland voucher case was heading up the pipeline when Bush gave his best buddy Chappaquidick Teddy all them edumication bucks, so why not spend the money while the courts make up their minds? The pubbies look good and sooner or later, hey, vouchers will be blessed by the courts.
--Campaign Finance Reform will be overturned by the Supremes anyway. Why not sign the thing and look like good kind pubbies who don't wish to take huge coffers of money from nasty big business.
Anyway, there's no denying there's some problems with the tendency of the pubbies to vote lately as if lifelong and dedicated liberals. Instead of assuming Bush is a Rino, I thought I'd offer a different perspective. Witness the above.
Pat Fish<<<awaiting reasoned responses from the great minds within the forum.
Depends how you define "conservative Republican.
True, Bush is better than Gore would have been. But one need not go the other extreme and offer blind support of Bush. That's Clintonista behavior.
In 1993, the Clintonists screamed: "We must support our president no matter what! He's our president! True patriots always support the president!"
I didn't think that then. I don't think that now. My libertarian principles don't shift with whoever's in office.
True conservative support a limited Constitutional republic. They do not offer blind, unqualified, unquestioning, uncritical support to any man, even if he is "our president."
I voted for Bush while holding my nose. I'm glad Gore failed to steal the election. I can't ever imagine myself voting Democrat. I don't know if I'll vote Republican in 2004. I'll decide that then.
Bush is a friggin genius.
He had his Mexico meeting and all the good will that went with it. Now it is left to the Dems to remove the one part of the bill that Mexico wanted.
Bush doesnt get blamed for the immigration clause, while the Democrats get blamed for its EXCLUSION!! Every one here is happy, but the immigrant population blames the Dems instead of Bush!
Masterful, Mr Rove!
8 posted on 3/19/02 1:53 AM Eastern by innocentbystander