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Byrd to delay Senate vote
Washington Times ^ | Tuesday, March 19, 2002 | By Stephen Dinan

Posted on 03/18/2002 9:46:29 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:52:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Sen. Robert C. Byrd, West Virginia Democrat, yesterday said he will delay passage of border-security legislation because it now contains a provision of amnesty for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants.

"It is lunacy sheer lunacy that the president would request, and the House would pass, such an amnesty at this time. That point seems obvious to the American people, if not to the administration," Mr. Byrd said on the Senate floor.


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1 posted on 03/18/2002 9:46:29 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
How the heck did we end up on the same side as this racist old Rat?
2 posted on 03/18/2002 9:48:28 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: Bogey78O
sh*t happens lol
3 posted on 03/18/2002 9:49:26 PM PST by StopDemocratsDotCom
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To: Bogey78O;Vallandigham
"This senator from West Virginia will not be pressured into passing legislation," he said. "Senators have a responsibility to consider and to thoroughly debate legislation that comes before it, especially legislation that raises as many concerns as Section 245(i). And I intend to raise those concerns that the administration chose not to address last week when the House acted on the 245(i) provision."

I NEVER thought I would applaud Robert Bird..Go Robert!

4 posted on 03/18/2002 9:50:06 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: JohnHuang2
Oh, THAT Senate vote. Drat!
5 posted on 03/18/2002 9:50:35 PM PST by dittomom
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To: Bogey78O
A pandering administration put us there.
6 posted on 03/18/2002 9:51:28 PM PST by RodgerD
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To: Bogey78O
I dunno. But I am cheering him on.
7 posted on 03/18/2002 9:52:19 PM PST by spectre
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To: JohnHuang2
The Democrats have been desperately seeking a wedge issue to hurt Bush with. Wouldn't it be sadly ironic if this is it?
9 posted on 03/18/2002 9:53:41 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: JohnHuang2
Maybe he can make up for his impeachment acquittal vote. No, nothing can make up for that.
10 posted on 03/18/2002 9:55:45 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: innocentbystander
Yea except the Dems aren't that upset with it's inclusion. They voted in greater numbers for it than Reps did.

If Bush is playing this he's playing it too tight and high stakes.

11 posted on 03/18/2002 9:56:25 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: JohnHuang2
If racist Byrd is against it, maybe we should reconsider our opposition?
12 posted on 03/18/2002 9:57:08 PM PST by GeronL
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To: doug from upland
Sure he can. Massive Stroke under a Republican governor.
13 posted on 03/18/2002 9:57:18 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: innocentbystander
Move to the head of the class.
14 posted on 03/18/2002 9:57:55 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Bogey78O
It's fashionable now that anytime Bush abandons conservative principles and moves left, someone "explains" the grand scheme behind it all. Yeah, Bush really showed them Dems by removing any hope of school vouchers, didn't he? He'll sure fix their wagon by signing CFR!
15 posted on 03/18/2002 9:59:17 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: JohnHuang2
Bush is not so good at playing this political game as he thought he was. He has managed to alienate his base and now the democrats will get credit, thanks to Robert Byrd, of stopping his insane plan to give amnesty to illegal aliens. Bush is toast in 2004! Toast I tell you.
17 posted on 03/18/2002 10:01:28 PM PST by RickyJ
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To: JohnHuang2
Bless your heart Robert Byrd. Help us kill it and we'll let W. Va get all the pork you ask for!
18 posted on 03/18/2002 10:03:17 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: doug from upland
Mr. Byrd held up action in December on the legislation to increase border security, a measure taken in response to the September 11 attacks. The administration and House leaders had hoped attaching the amnesty provision would push the Democrat-controlled Senate to act, but instead it just fed Mr. Byrd's demand for a full debate on the bill.

The border-security provisions would reduce the number of visas issued to visitors from countries that sponsor terrorism, tighten the requirements on those entering on student visas and require federal agencies to share information through a common computer system so they can better track immigrants' movements. Three of the 19 air pirates in the attacks had overstayed their visas.

House members have voted twice to pass the border-security provisions, and Greg Crist, a spokesman for Mr. Armey, said it is time for the Senate to act.

"We're not sure why the senator would oppose something that builds on the existing network of security since [September 11]," Mr. Crist said. "It boggles our minds in the House, and we'll keep trying."

19 posted on 03/18/2002 10:04:33 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: RickyJ;innocentbystander;JohnHuang2
I am so confused now!

Bush and Rove pulled a smart move or was it a dumb move!

Maybe it depends on who the audience is?

Who will the Hispanics blame?

20 posted on 03/18/2002 10:05:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Sabertooth; Vallandigham
Good news and GO ROBERT BYRD!!! We were saying that on the other thread!
21 posted on 03/18/2002 10:05:30 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Bogey78O
My friend, politics makes for strange bedfellows. I'm prepared to shake hands with a Rat if he will work with us to save our beloved country.
22 posted on 03/18/2002 10:05:42 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: innocentbystander
You should consider the story-telling business. This is a major embarrassment for Bush. Mexico does not care about how our system of govt works, it only needed to see results which it will not get. I am all about good relations with neighbors, but believe that strong fences make better neighbors.
24 posted on 03/18/2002 10:07:03 PM PST by Satadru
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To: goldstategop
Me too. Byrd is gonna kick butt and save us from this....! Go Robert Byrd!
26 posted on 03/18/2002 10:08:21 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: innocentbystander
Nothing personal, but your theory is puzzling and hints of wishful spin. First off, you're assuming most citizens WANT amnesty granted, and thus would be mad at Byrd for killing it. Secondly, are you saying Bush's way of keeping his word is to pretend to support something he said he opposed, even going as far as pushing through a bill, so the Dems can kill it? Too clever by half, I think...
27 posted on 03/18/2002 10:09:42 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: goldstategop
Absolutely. Give W. Virginia ALL the friggin pork! I don't care...just save our country Mr. Byrd!
29 posted on 03/18/2002 10:10:00 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: over3Owithabrain
It's fashionable now that anytime Bush abandons conservative principles and moves left, someone "explains" the grand scheme behind it all. Yeah, Bush really showed them Dems by removing any hope of school vouchers, didn't he? He'll sure fix their wagon by signing CFR!

To a checker player I am sure your view is correct, but to a chess player it makes perfect sense. Should I king you now?

30 posted on 03/18/2002 10:10:14 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: innocentbystander
Bush doesnt get blamed for the immigration clause, while the Democrats get blamed for its EXCLUSION!! Every one here is happy, but the immigrant population blames the Dems instead of Bush!

You're exceptionally preceptive. You've nailed the 'strategery' behind this to a 'T'. ;^)

31 posted on 03/18/2002 10:11:22 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: innocentbystander
How much you want to bet that nothing will change because of this? If you have such a strong belief on your hypothesis, why dont we enter into a wager here.
32 posted on 03/18/2002 10:11:25 PM PST by Satadru
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To: goldstategop
"It is lunacy — sheer lunacy — that the president would request, and the House would pass, such an amnesty at this time. That point seems obvious to the American people, if not to the administration," Mr. Byrd said on the Senate floor.
34 posted on 03/18/2002 10:12:07 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Texasforever
Might as well - apparently I'm just a pawn in Bush's vote buying schemes.
36 posted on 03/18/2002 10:12:56 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: roachie; poised woman
friendly ping to you
37 posted on 03/18/2002 10:12:59 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: grlfrnd
hmm...and he plays country fiddle pretty well, too....
38 posted on 03/18/2002 10:15:40 PM PST by womanvet
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To: JohnHuang2
Am I imagining something? Or did Byrd and the Dems just walk into a suckerpunch? Lemme see if I have this straight. Byrd and the Dems are opposing the "pet issue" for millions of Hispanic voters, while GWB and the Republicans are now seen as being "on our side" by those same Hispanics. Am I leaving anything out?
39 posted on 03/18/2002 10:16:54 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: womanvet
I'm *definitely* re-evaluating my assessment of the man. And I definitely can no longer paint a wide brush saying that all dems are terrible. Mr. Byrd is on our side on this one.
40 posted on 03/18/2002 10:17:17 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: JohnHuang2
Senator Byrd is gonna hafta get something before this legislation goes forward. I'll bet he honestly thinks amnesty is a bad idea but will be convinced to change his mind.
41 posted on 03/18/2002 10:18:09 PM PST by nicepaco
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To: over3Owithabrain
Might as well - apparently I'm just a pawn in Bush's vote buying schemes.

You said it not me. When people are cheering on Robert C. Byrd for anything it says a lot about them. I have heard all the sanctimonious talk about their disdain for corrupt politicians, i.e. Bush, but yet when they find the KING of corruption in their corner, on one issue, he is a great American. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

42 posted on 03/18/2002 10:18:13 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: innocentbystander
What I'm "missing" is how you think this adds up. Like it or not, Bush has peeved and alienated a significant portion of his base. I suppose you dismiss that by saying those people have nowhere else to go and are a little crazy anyway, but isn't it possible whatever Hispanic votes he may pick up by this alleged maneuver (assuming they'll go to Bush over this, has pandering ever helped get them or the black vote before?) will be offset by votes he'll lose?
43 posted on 03/18/2002 10:20:35 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: Texasforever
Bump.

This "Grand Scheme" business is the pure wishful thinking. Jorge & co. really want an amnesty - and not just the mini-amnesty that's 245i. They want it for millions of illegals. The Washington Times noted today that when GOP House members asked for White House assurances that 245i would be the final amnesty...the Bushies said, No, it would not be the last.

44 posted on 03/18/2002 10:20:53 PM PST by RodgerD
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To: RodgerD
This "Grand Scheme" business is the pure wishful thinking. Jorge & co. really want an amnesty - and not just the mini-amnesty that's 245i. They want it for millions of illegals. The Washington Times noted today that when GOP House members asked for White House assurances that 245i would be the final amnesty...the Bushies said, No, it would not be the last.

Link please.

46 posted on 03/18/2002 10:25:24 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Every time you respond to me I feel as if you're referencing someone else. Did I cheer Byrd? No. Bush has "cheered on" Ted Kennedy, loudly and proudly in a national speech, what does that make him?
47 posted on 03/18/2002 10:25:32 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: innocentbystander;
I think it might work everywhere other than California.

Things are more complicated out here, some Hispanics tie Bush to the big Power companies like Enron and think he was in cahoots with them for the Power crisis!

48 posted on 03/18/2002 10:27:44 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: sabertooth
Ping!
49 posted on 03/18/2002 10:28:12 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: JohnHuang2
The rationalle(?).
50 posted on 03/18/2002 10:29:38 PM PST by Consort
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