DIXIE'S CENSORED SUBJECT BLACK SLAVEOWNERS

americancivilwar.com ^ | 1997 | Robert M. Grooms

[Mensch]

How does this figure into the latest reparations debate? Are these guys descendents likely to become defendents to the class action?

[What Is Ain't]

Please, don't confuse the feel good reparations shakedown with facts.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Good point though one must say that 28 percent of the paltry free black population (only about 10 percent of all blacks in the U.S. in 1860) is 28 percent of very little indeed.

[hangin' chad]

This post is totally politically incorrect and will likely be deleted by our webmaster.

[uncbob]

The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

Not quite true Census counts all people woman and children included. So if they were 8 million in the south and each family had say 2 kids ( might be low ) they were about 2 million families . Therefore about 19% owned slaves or even higher if the families were bigger

[Argus]

Fascinating stuff.

[Reactionary]

How does it "figure?"

Let's see...

It "figures" because a small minority of whites actually owned slaves, yet everyone is expected to pay reparations. It "figures" because a disproportunate number of free blacks owned slaves themselves. It "figures" because reparations has nothing to do with reality, past or present.

[Free the USA]

fyi

[NovemberCharlie]

Not quite true Census counts all people woman and children included. So if they were 8 million in the south and each family had say 2 kids ( might be low ) they were about 2 million families . Therefore about 19% owned slaves or even higher if the families were bigger

And the same could apply to the black slaveholders mentioned in the article. New Orleans is the only data given, so assuming it was representative of the entire South, that 28% comes to 104% of free black families owning slaves. Hmm. It would be nice to know for sure how the data breaks down.

[MozarkDawg]

How does this figure into the latest reparations debate? Are these guys descendents likely to become defendents to the class action?

One would hope it might put the whole subject to a close ... but then I'd be dreaming. The fact that such reparations would be unconstitutional should make the entire subject moot, anyhow -- we cannot now make a crime out of what at the time was legal practice, no matter how immoral one may see that practice. There are no living people who were once held as slaves, who by all rights should be the only ones to whom any reparations could be made, and no way in heck to prove absolute anscestry to those who are now demanding gubmint dough.

Shakedown, that's all this reparations-idea is.

[MozarkDawg]

New Orleans is the only data given....

My husband tells me there were several black slaveholders in Vicksburg, Mississippi.

[Don Myers]

bttt

[azhenfud]

I believe the figures are based upon total individuals, not total families. Although I may be wrong...
Az

[Libertarianize the GOP]

fyi

[one2many]

Thanks for the heads up.

I was discussing the relative benevolence of the Southern "Massa" to his slaves with my Dad last week. He told me that his grandfather, a Confederate Veteran, Redshirt, and Judge, used to climb a tall tree before he would visit the only family in their area that mistreated their slaves. From that vantage point he could see what was happening on the grounds.

Also, while at the library tonite doing research on another project, I came across a 1972 New York Times article about the pygmies of central Africa that are enslaved by the other Africans. I will try to scan the horrible copies that I made from the microfilm and post it here.

I consider it pertinent to the "reparations" debate.

[lentulusgracchus]

Reparatory Bump.

[shuckmaster]

The truth is a light that always cuts through the darkness...

[Captain Shady]

Slavery is still prevalent in many parts of Africa.Also ,reparations have been paid by affirmative action and other government programs.

[T. P. Pole]

bump for later read

[Red Jones]

wow, that's really something, a great article.