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***George W. Bush: Master Politician and Great American***
Stardate: 0203.28 | the Wizard

Posted on 03/28/2002 2:52:13 AM PST by The Wizard

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To: rintense
I leave to vist my Aunt on her birthday with your kind words ringing in my haed......
61 posted on 03/28/2002 5:23:57 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: JohnHuang2
Thank you and Wizard!! You made my day. I bookmarked it for reading when the "I will never vote for Bush crowd" gets me down.
62 posted on 03/28/2002 5:26:22 AM PST by RightWingMama
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To: The Wizard
I'll bet you dollars to donuts, that Bush already knows how this will end in the Supreme Court! He'll have at least 5 justices saying this bill is unconstitutional. Why haven't any of the conservative 5 resigned yet? He is very friendly with several of them.

This is why I think he didn't veto this bill. He's has an Ace up his sleeve.

Way too much hysterics on FR regarding this bill. And I thought Conservatives were suppose to be the cool, rational types. . .

63 posted on 03/28/2002 5:26:26 AM PST by Alissa
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks, JH. The problem is people aren't keeping their eye on the ball. W obviously is.
64 posted on 03/28/2002 5:28:27 AM PST by I still care
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To: all
From Nittany Lion, this bears repeating: "...Two weeks ago 99% of the posters on this board were vehemently opposed to CFR...Ever since Bush indicated he would sign the bill into law there have been rationalizations on this site as to his reasons. Over the past few days, these rationalization have grown into full-blown support for the signature, claiming Bush is a political genius."

Those are true words. Long live Joe Paterno. Now the PartyLine crowd will say:

*The SC will strike it down (although they dont KNOW that - and would that mean that if they dont strike it down, then in a vacuum Bush is all bad?) No, it just means you have lost some more freedoms, that of free speech - no biggie, move along now.

65 posted on 03/28/2002 5:29:10 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: NittanyLion
I believe you are confusing rationalization and realization.

I initially thought he would veto this bill. JohnHuang2 thought he would sign it, and posted his opinion before the Presiident announced his intentions.

My clue to understanding the President's methods and reasoning was the content of the bill itself, coupled with the increased talk about Enron as the bill moved through the Senate. When the President asked for the bill to be effective immediately, and the Rats wouldn't even put THAT measure in, I think the President realized the bill was veto bait.

I still thought he would veto it, but when he didn't, I asked myself "why?" We all know he has political capital built up. We know that he takes his job seriously. I couldn't understand at first, because signing the bill seemed out of character to someone who ditched Kyoto and pushed missile defense in the face of media and democrat opposition.

BUT, we also know a couple other things that I failed to consider. Conservative judges are being held up (Pickering, for example). It is obvious that any conservative appointment is going to be blocked. Daschle and others have also been making noises about holding up funding of the war. The ONLY way to get this stopped is by keeping the House and taking back the Senate. Vetoing the bill would have allowed a big campaign against Bush but more importantly against Republicans in the fall elections. I think Bush was willing to take the hit from people like you in order to remove an issue that would have endangered the Senate elections.

In the best of all possible worlds, President Bush could have done a public veto and made a speech to the American people, who would have supported him. In the REAL world, President Bush cannot get air time for anything except the war, and once he had vetoed this bill the entire Republican party would have been on defensive.

So, I believe that John was right after all. In my opinion getting the Senate back is THE priority politically, followed by getting a larger majority in the House. If we lose, we lose the war, pure and simple. I have explained my thinking on this earlier.

Here is an analogy: before we began the war in Afghanistan, many here were growing impatient. Where were the ground troops? Why weren't we bombing now? AFTER the war in Afghanistan began, it was easier to see that the deliberate and understated way we prosecuted the war was the right thing to do.

You are just going to have to accept that some people think this may have been the best course. I accept that you don't. Time will tell who is right.

66 posted on 03/28/2002 5:29:46 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: The Wizard
Re signing this piece of garbage, I really hope you're right and he's not being too clever.

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Help Fight Shays-Meehan (CFR)
Special to FreeRepublic | 23 March 2002 | Congressman Billybob (John Armor)
Posted on 3/23/02 5:13 PM Central by Congressman Billybob

Help Fight Shays-Meehan (CFR)

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67 posted on 03/28/2002 5:31:20 AM PST by Valin
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To: The Wizard
Gullible is the first word that comes to mind. Cynical is the second.
68 posted on 03/28/2002 5:32:29 AM PST by Whilom
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To: Darth Sidious

Must respectfully disagree, my friend. For this reason: unconstitutional, however it is sliced, is still unconstitutional.

That's right. And he knew it. But signed it anyway, hoping the Supremes would do his dirty work for him. So a president who took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States signed a clearly unconstitutional piece of legislation. And Republicans clap and cheer. Unless I was delusional during the 1990s, this was one of their chief complaints about Clinton: disregard for the Constitution. I guess it's OK when Republicans do it.

69 posted on 03/28/2002 5:33:03 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: evad
When he knows it won't be a big fight, and that the senate won't overturn his veto with a vote. This way he gets what he wants out of the bill and what is garbage will be dumped. Then the liberals can't yell and scream and make something out of nothing.
70 posted on 03/28/2002 5:34:13 AM PST by Jewels1091
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To: Miss Marple
I believe you are confusing rationalization and realization

Miss Marple, with all due respect, I think NittanyLion can express his own opinions and was quite clear as to the rationalization aspect of it.

71 posted on 03/28/2002 5:36:39 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: The Wizard
I saw from the start exactly what he is doing. It SUCKS

and the bad parts will be strck down

Do you know that? No you don't. I don't. Bush doesn't.

He may have played the game so smart and was so much of a genius, and he could have overplayed his hand taking his chances with the courts. How many gun laws have been overturned? Dred Scot was constitutional as well.

Bush could have ended this real quickly with a veto. This hurts him. He's going to be hit from the right flank now. Bush I didn't take his right flank seriously. He lost.

72 posted on 03/28/2002 5:37:09 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Miss Marple
I agree with you 100%. What is really going to be entertaining if you're a political junkie is the argument the Feds are going to make before the Supreme Court! Do you suppose Ted Olson will be the one to "defend" this bill? It's going to be GREAT fun.
73 posted on 03/28/2002 5:38:46 AM PST by Alissa
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To: The Wizard
Memo to Dubya:
Next time you feel like playing poker, please don't use my Constitutional rights as the ante.

Signed,
m1911

74 posted on 03/28/2002 5:40:29 AM PST by m1911
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To: NittanyLion
Let's face a few facts. Two weeks ago 99% of the posters on this board were vehemently opposed to CFR, and were certain Bush would veto it.

I fall into the 98% of the population who could care less about CFR. When Daschle allowed the bill to come before the Senate, I thought to myself, sheesh, there are so many more important concerns, why are we wasting our time with this one. I'm ready to drill in ANWR, I could handle another tax cut, let's fill these judicial vacancies, we've got work to do. Hell, there's a war going on and we're wasting legislative time on political contributions.

I'm glad it's over and done with. Bush plainly stated he considers several aspects of the bill unconstitutional, practically paving the way for the SCOTUS to rectify it. He's still got my vote.

75 posted on 03/28/2002 5:42:10 AM PST by Quilla
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To: The Wizard
"What a President.....My advice: Don't play chess with GWB, he's learned to think too many moves ahead......"

I agree, though I doubt this article will be enough to calm the lynch mob at FR even slightly. On a thread yesterday, they were ready to lynch me, along with the president, for agreeing that part of the bill may be unconstitutional, giving clear reasons, AND also explaining that I'm not going to d@mn the president because, considering that the rest of the bill is good, and given the fact that he knew he'd been set up into a lose-lose situation, he made what he felt was the best choice.

76 posted on 03/28/2002 5:44:53 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: The Wizard
Bush is a liar and is unfit for the office of the president. He has no honor, integrity, or honesty. He has violated his oath of office and should be impeached.
77 posted on 03/28/2002 5:45:17 AM PST by gunshy
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To: rbmillerjr
Why don't you try countering some of his specific points, instead of just generally poo-pooing?
78 posted on 03/28/2002 5:47:09 AM PST by Notforprophet
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To: Zviadist
Following your logic - if SCOTUS upholds every portion of the CFR bill, will you publicly apologize for your comments regarding GWB?
79 posted on 03/28/2002 5:48:48 AM PST by Notforprophet
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To: m1911
We now have political speech restriction as the law of the land.

We have political leaders who are willing to play "kill free speech spin the bottle". Speech is now more restricted than pornography, burning the flag, obscenity on T-shirts and belly dancing...lol.

I'm sure that George Mason, author of the Bill of Rights would be proud.

80 posted on 03/28/2002 5:49:09 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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