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Gun Lost On Fatal Brown Flight
WND ^ | January 8, 2001 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 04/04/2002 12:17:14 PM PST by rdavis84

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To: thinden
BTTT

Great post, I'll have to try to read all of it later.

21 posted on 04/04/2002 7:11:07 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: backhoe
fyi: your link to ron brown 2 is locked to new reply posts.
22 posted on 04/05/2002 4:19:03 AM PST by thinden
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To: oklahoma 1; backhoe; Uncle Bill; rdavis84
great information. too bad some of the internal links are blocked to new reply posts.
23 posted on 04/05/2002 4:20:22 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
Appreciate your looking. I'll welcome the dropping of that block, too.... there's a lot of old but valid info that needs to be bumped occasionaly so newcomers can have a look at it.
24 posted on 04/05/2002 4:32:19 AM PST by backhoe
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To: rdavis84
Imagine what would have been revealed if they'd done an autopsy on Brown

Imagine what would BE revealed if they'd DO an autopsy on Brown! Ashcroft has a duty to clear this up. If he doesn't then he has a reason that he needs to explain to us. If he won't, then it is probably an indication that HE is no different than Gormley ... bought and paid for. And the "owner" has to be Bush, wouldn't you say? So that means Bush must either be hiding something equally bad that the democRATS know about (a sort of mutual assured destruction threat between the parties) or Bush is also bought and paid for. Perhaps that is why the move-on'ers seem to fear the Brown case so much? They can't argue it so they try to ignore it hoping it will go away. But it is not going away. Move-on'ers are always telling us that WE should do something. So why don't we ask the members what they think at the next local Republican chapter meeting? Let's make this a campaign issue within the GOP! Accept NO EXCUSES.

25 posted on 04/05/2002 9:42:58 AM PST by BeAChooser
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To: UCANSEE2
Brown was supposedly carrying a briefcase full of documentation that would expose people in the White House.

What is the source of this claim?

26 posted on 04/05/2002 9:44:18 AM PST by BeAChooser
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To: UCANSEE2
Brown was supposedly carrying a briefcase full of documentation

Where did you pull that one from?

27 posted on 04/05/2002 9:50:01 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: isthisnickcool;rdavis84


28 posted on 04/05/2002 9:57:35 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
This is one of the cool things about FreeRepublic. I ask for it and here it is. Thanks!

Now can someone get all that money back it cost me to get rid of my last wife?

29 posted on 04/05/2002 10:00:20 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: rdavis84
Okay, waitaminutewaitaminute...What's the theory here, that there was an assassin on the plane, that he walked up to Brown, held a gun straight down over the top of his head and killed him, and then somehow crashed the plane committing suicide? Or is it that Clinton arranged the assassination, then arranged the plane crash moments later to cover it up? Where's Occam when you need him? I could make a similar statement about victims of 9/11: "His skull was crushed in the same way a sledgehammer would do it, and we know there was a sledgehammer in the WTC which hasn't been recovered."
30 posted on 04/05/2002 10:07:28 AM PST by Heyworth
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To: Heyworth
Well, in fairness to conspiracy theory, keep in mind that, save the pilots, the 9/11 hijackers did not know it was a suicide mission.

One angle involves an Algerian, Mohammed Samir Ferrat, a Ron Brown associate who posed for a picture with RB days before RB died, only to himself die on TWA 800. Click Here

31 posted on 04/05/2002 10:38:32 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: JohnGalt
It just seems like, even if you're going to proceed on the assumption that Ron Brown's death was an assassination, there are a hell of a lot of ways to do it that make more sense, and are logistically easier to carry out, than shooting him straight down into the top of his head, then crashing the plane. Why not just plant a bomb on the plane? Then you could blame the Serbs or something. I'm sorry, I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but this one is just too far fetched. It would be interesting to see, by way of comparison, what sorts of injuries people killed in non-suspicious plane crashes suffer.
32 posted on 04/05/2002 10:51:25 AM PST by Heyworth
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To: Heyworth
I'm right there with you. I was just sharing with you an angle that whoever shot Ron Brown did not know the plane was scheduled to be blown up.
33 posted on 04/05/2002 11:01:00 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: rdavis84
The ballistics expert, however, says that even such a dense area of bone and tissue wouldn't have stopped a bullet fired by a .357 Magnum, which packs a heavy hit.

And if that .357 was loaded with .38 Specials?

34 posted on 04/05/2002 11:09:13 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Heyworth
It just seems like, even if you're going to proceed on the assumption that Ron Brown's death was an assassination, there are a hell of a lot of ways to do it that make more sense, and are logistically easier to carry out, than shooting him straight down into the top of his head, then crashing the plane.

Another possibility is that the events were reversed. First they cut off communicatin and crash the plane by spoofing it into the ground into pre-determined location. Then a clean up crew moves in before rescue parties can arrive and delivered a coup-de-grace to make sure. Remember, Dr. Wecht said that other than the hole in Brown's head, his injuries appeared survivable.

Why not just plant a bomb on the plane? Then you could blame the Serbs or something.

Because then there would definitely be a criminal investigation involving the FBI, which you might not be able to control. And look how good the FBI is at finding the source of bombs when it is admitted to be a bomb. Furthermore, a criminal investigation involves motive and looking at other peculiarities in what happened (like certain individuals missing the plane). Some of those individuals might not stand up to close scrutiny.

I'm sorry, I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but this one is just too far fetched.

Again, you have the cart before the horse. Why are you so afraid of a simple exhumation and autopsy? If it turns up nothing then no harm. The democRATS should like that because it would finally put this one to rest ... and this is the one they fear most. Rather than dismiss it because you think it is too far fetched, why don't you actually address the facts that we know. We know that all of the forensic pathologists who have looked at the case and made public statements in any forum say that the wound in his head was very suspicioius and he should have been autopsied. We know that the AFIP management lied about the nature of the wound and the opinions of their staff experts. We know that the official reports states that it was blunt force trauma and even the pathologist who concluded that has now admitted that the reason he gave for reaching that conclusion are not true. In other words, he was caught lying and has had to retract those lies. We know that the Whitehouse, against existing law, ordered that there be no autopsy. We know that the Air Force skipped what is normally the first phase of a crash investigation ... the phase that specifically is tasked with finding the cause. We know they lost transponder and radio contact with the plane at the same time when the plane was still 8 miles from the crash, yet this has not been explained. We know that a beacon went missing just before the crash ... the type of beacon needed to spoof the plane into flying the wrong course. We know that person in charge of that beacon and those at the airport died under suspicious circumstance a short time after the crash before he could be interviewed. We know that there is sworn testimony indicating that Brown threatened Clinton and the DNC shortly before a flight that originally, according to the same testimony, he was not supposed to be on. We know that a number of key figures in other clinton scandals just happened to miss the flight. And I could list many other suspicious facts. In other words, deal with the facts.

It would be interesting to see, by way of comparison, what sorts of injuries people killed in non-suspicious plane crashes suffer.

I would presume the pathologists mentioned above know this ... don't you think?

35 posted on 04/05/2002 3:40:40 PM PST by BeAChooser
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To: Heyworth
How or what happened is immaterial at this point. There are many scenarios that could explain the evidence. The question is, why wasn't an autopsy done? Why not do one now?
36 posted on 04/05/2002 3:44:15 PM PST by Earn Your Vote
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To: BeAChooser
"Bush must either be hiding something equally bad that the democRATS know about (a sort of mutual assured destruction threat between the parties) or Bush is also bought and paid for."

If you recall, that was part of the Initiation jr. had into the S&B "Society. I also believe that most of those who continue to be advanced in the political system we now endure are "Compromised", as the book described.

But it's a Good Life they get in return. As long as that lasts.

37 posted on 04/05/2002 5:15:44 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: Earn Your Vote; Be a chooser
I've been mostly away from the computer since I posted this, but I believe one of the links gets into some reported info from the crash site.

Don't forget, there was a minimum of one other survivor of the crash. It was one female flight attendent. It was reported that she walked to a special ops/rescue chopper. She bled to death of a femoral gash on the ride out. First off, a tourniquet should have been able to save her, or direct pressure on the gash in her leg. Even basic training teaches that in the Army.

Next, there were Spec Ops soldiers landed at the crash site. I've known some years back, and they ARE trained killers. Not like us regular soldiers were. They aren't known to question WHY a total elimination would be ordered. The right ones will just do it.

Also, the photos of the crashed plane show to many that some survivors probably were in the wreckage. Not many believe that any assassin was riding in the aircraft. It really would not have been intended nor needed to be anything more than a crash. But it didn't crash Hard Enough. :-)

38 posted on 04/05/2002 5:40:44 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: BeAChooser

The crash itself was the subject of much controversy. Originally claimed to have happened in the Adriatic itself, subsequent news stories slowly but surely moved the wreckage from sea to hilltop.

39 posted on 04/05/2002 5:46:16 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
there was a minimum of one other survivor of the crash.

The government and these move-on'ers can't explain how Ira Sockowitz (John Huang's associate at Commerce), who just happened to miss the ill fated flight for unexplained reasons, managed to get to the crash site in time to be the person who reported back to Warren Christopher that there were two survivors. They also can't tell us who that second survivor was since the government has never acknowledged a second survivor. In fact, we wouldn't even know about this if Klayman hadn't uncovered a confidential timeline in Christopher's office that contains a reference to that survivor.

Even basic training teaches that in the Army.

Although it really isn't clear what the stewardess' condition was post crash (Cogswell said it depended on who you talked to), the stewardess was said to be under a doctor's care on the trip down the mountain.

40 posted on 04/05/2002 6:04:26 PM PST by BeAChooser
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