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1 posted on 04/05/2002 8:01:38 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Evangelicals and Jews Together - An Unlikely Alliance

not to anyone who's read Romans 9, 10 and 11 with a clear understanding ...

Bobby

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2 posted on 04/05/2002 8:05:27 AM PST by Bobby777
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To: veronica
>It may sound strange, but it's true: Aside from Jews, the strongest American supporters of Israel are Evangelical Christians, many of whom fervently believe God has granted the Jewish people a divine right to rule over historic Palestine.<

Veronica, small mistatement there. I am not sure Jews are more supportive of Israel than Evangelical Christians.

3 posted on 04/05/2002 8:13:43 AM PST by Honestfreedom
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To: veronica; richard poe
Hmmm...
5 posted on 04/05/2002 8:24:11 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: veronica
One need not buy into the whole dispensationalist schema to recognize that God may not be finished in his dealings with the Jewish people, and that they yet have a role to play in the drama still to come. In any case, it is difficult to see why any follower of the Jewish messiah would not want to maintain a friendly stance toward our Lord's fellow countrymen. As for the Palestinian Christians: yes, I do have sympathy for them. However, I find it very hard to believe that they would fare better under the muslim Arabs than under the Jewish Israelis. My understanding is that the reason they have been leaving is that they have been the ones to suffer the most from the radical backlash by the extremist muslims. They are naive if they think that they will be allowed to even continue living should the Israelis ever be driven into the sea.
7 posted on 04/05/2002 8:31:14 AM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: veronica
I grew up in a church that does not accept rapture, or dispensationalism, but we were (and i am) 100% behind the state of Israel. Our support is political, but as the article suggests, it also goes way beyond political.

There has always been, as the article suggests, a strong tendency to believe that the church had inherited the promises of God to Israel. Furthermore, there is a messianic streak in Americans in general, and I think many American churches have had the belief, state or unstated, that America was heir to these promises, sort-of an American version of British Israelism.

That is because in part because of our own, rather exceptional history, and also because prior to 1948, no one could imagine that Israel could ever come back to life. Without Israel, the biblical promises made no sense, unless someone else (us, for example) had somehow inherited those promises.

Of course, 1948 changed all that.

But I would say that, below the surface, many Americans still, in their gut, believe they are God's chosen people. Our politics and our daily discourse is soaked with the belief in our blessed uniqueness. The resurrection of Israel didn't change that, they just see Israel as their "fellow" chosen. Thus, the almost unbreakable loyalty toward Israel on the part of American Christians, including secular, unchurched Christians.

8 posted on 04/05/2002 8:35:23 AM PST by marron
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To: veronica
Absolutely true, but what is ironic about the story is that the vast majority of American Jews...the Reformed and the Conservative, don't have a clue as to what Evangelical Christianity is, and why it is a fervent supporter of Israel....indeed, reformed Jewry tends to regard Evangelicals as almost as wacky as, well..dare I say it?....Orthodox Jews..
11 posted on 04/05/2002 8:44:06 AM PST by ken5050
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To: veronica
The article is wrong on one thing: it was not Darby's dispensationalist interpretation which triggered an understanding of Israel's continuing role in Bible Prophecy and history. It's plain for anyone reading the book of Romans.
16 posted on 04/05/2002 9:04:39 AM PST by geros
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To: veronica
When paleos use the derisive code word "Amen Corner" they are, whether they know it or not, talking about millions of American Christians.
18 posted on 04/05/2002 9:07:04 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: veronica
The so-called Christians (non-evangelicals) in the Middle East came up with the following anti-Israel statement in recent years:

The Following Statement was adopted by the Standing Conference of Middle Eastern Christian & Muslim Religious Leaders at their meeting in Englewood, New Jersey on Wednesday, November 8, 2000

The recent wave of violence in the Middle East is of grave concern. We condemn the violence, especially the excessive use of force by Israeli forces that has resulted in the killing of over 150 and the injury of 3,000 Palestinian civilians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory including Jerusalem.

The demonstrations and protests that have been taking place in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including Jerusalem, represent the collective expression by the Palestinian people against the long years of occupation and the difficulties of their daily lives under Israeli occupation.

The protests have been an expression of deep frustration with the failure of the peace process to bring about better living conditions and a final peace settlement, including the long-awaited establishment of an independent Palestinian state.

They have been an expression of their determination to protect their holy places. They have been an expression in defense of their inalienable rights and their land.

Regrettably, the Palestinian people continue to be denied the ability to restore even their minimum rights as a people, including the right to self-determination. We express our solidarity with the Palestinian people, who have been the victims of a long and unjust military occupation, and we call for the realization of their rights.

We express our deep concern and strong feelings regarding the sacred religious sites in Occupied East Jerusalem. We stress the importance of Jerusalem and the need to ensure respect for all holy sites. Any final solution must ensure the freedom of access and of worship for all believers of the three monotheistic religions. Any solution must also ensure Palestinian sovereignty over East Jerusalem.

We believe that what is required now is an immediate cessation by Israel of the excessive, indiscriminate and unjustified use of force against the Palestinian people. The Israeli siege on the Palestinian people and the Palestinian land must be terminated. To restore calm, the understanding reached at the Sharm EI-Sheikh Summit must be implemented. Only then can there be any true resumption of the peace process between the Palestinian and the Israeli sides. Such a process must require a sincere desire for peace and a full commitment on the part of all parties to its realization.

We believe that in order to resolve this tragic conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis, the UN Resolutions 242, 338 and 425 (concerning the farmlands of Shib'aa Lebanon) must be fully implemented because they express the will of the international community. In addition, we strongly believe that Resolution 194 and the Geneva Convention of 1949, namely Article IV, give the Palestinian refugees, whether they are in Lebanon or Syria, etc. the right to return to their homes and land which they have inhabited from time immemorial. The right of refugees to return home is a most sacred right and it should be respected.

As for the role of the United States in the Middle East peace process, we stress our disappointment with the adoption by our American Congress of the very unfair and very biased resolution #426 against the leadership of the Palestinian people. We demand a more balanced American position reflective of American traditions and the wishes of more than five million Arab-Americans in support of human rights, justice and international law. Such a position would enable the United States to play a truly objective and supportive role as a sponsor of the peace process.

In conclusion, our support for the Middle East peace process is unwavering. Our support for the rights of the Palestinian people and their efforts to realize those rights, including their right to an independent state, is unwavering as well. The time has come for justice and peace to prevail in the Holy Land and the realization of the rights of the Palestinian people as well as security for all states in the region.

The Most Reverend Metropolitan PHILIP, Chairman Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America

The Most Reverend Archbishop Oshagan Choloyan Prelacy of the Armenian Apostolic Church of America

The Right Reverend Bishop Stephen Doueihi Eparchy of Saint Maron of Brooklyn Imam Fadhel AI-Sahlani Imam AI-Khoei Islamic Center, Jamaica, NY

The Most Reverend John A. Elya Eparch of Newton, Melkite Diocese of Newton

Very Reverend Chorepiscopus John Meno For The Most Reverend Archbishop Cyril Aphrem Karim Archdiocese of the Syrian Orthodox Church for the Eastern United States

Sheikh Sami T. Merhi, Chairman The Druze Council of North America

Sheikh Hamad Ahmad Chebli Islamic Society of Central New Jersey

19 posted on 04/05/2002 9:08:33 AM PST by geros
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To: veronica
Since the 1948 war, the once-sizable Christian population has dwindled to a mere two percent of the three million Palestinians living in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem. Most of them have emigrated to the West.

And with Palestinian independence you can expect all of them to leave in short time.

25 posted on 04/05/2002 9:31:23 AM PST by Shermy
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To: veronica
I don't find Jews and evangelicals an unlikely alliance. We share the same faith actually. The Jewish people are the ones who passed down the Bible to us, and we believe in the same God of Abraham.
28 posted on 04/05/2002 10:50:10 AM PST by ladyinred
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To: veronica
Sometimes it's wise to look at the similarities rather than the differences.The most important one of all,we both believe in GOD.
37 posted on 04/05/2002 12:54:34 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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We may not get along, but here's a ping because I think the article would interest you
40 posted on 04/05/2002 4:53:55 PM PST by SJackson
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To: veronica
Whoever wrote this article has very little understanding of Evangelicals... Or Jews for that matter
46 posted on 04/05/2002 10:32:29 PM PST by Michael2001
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Whenever any of my fellow Catholics trot out the "Darby" shiboleth regarding "end times," my eyes glaze over and all possibility of serious consideration ceases. We don't seem to understand that the Evangelicals have put ALOT more effort into researching this subject. Their studies so dwarf the Catholic effort it seems like the elementary math student trying to critique a professor. We have adequate and satisfying arguments for just about any other Catholic/Protestant disagreement; this one is the glaring exception.
53 posted on 04/07/2002 3:24:29 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: veronica
I'm not sure I even know where to begin...

1) Salvation, according to the Christian tradition, rests soley with one's acceptance of Jesus as your Lord and Savior. One's political opinion regarding the current middle east crisis is not relevant.

2) I have many many Jewish friends and family members...their political opinions are about as liberal as you can get. They oppose virtually every item of the conservative political agenda.

3) Most Jewish friends and family members with whom I am close have a very very low opinion of evangelical christians....they think that they are a bunch of ignorant rednecks, mostly

56 posted on 04/07/2002 5:57:21 PM PDT by quebecois
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