Posted on 04/08/2002 4:54:14 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
Wow. Another example of "you either agree with me that abortion is murder or you are pro-abortion and a 'baby killer'." I can only imagine where that kind of blind rage-driven thinking will lead.
Actually I already have imagined it. Like the mayor of Atown. Shot in the gut atop the wall.
I simply showed you where the scriptures indicate life begins at birth. Take it up with the Author if you like. I did not justify abortion, nor did I show you any scripture that endorses or justifies abortion (there aren't any). All I can imagine that's driving your rage is you see what I showed you as a threat to justification to control the lives of others through the "abortion is murder" excuse.
In short, a threat to theocratic political power.
Yep. Some on both sides trying to impose their beliefs -- by force -- on the other.
You remember Prohibition, don't you? Using thin Bible justification and "science," the temperance movement succeeded in, for a time, telling everyone they would not drink alcoholic beverages. It wasn't about morality, it wasn't about "caring," it wasn't about religious duty -- it was about the glory and satisfaction of the power of telling everyone else what to do, by force.
And it's the same today. Often an issue with two combatant sides, at loggerheads over which will get to hold the power and tell everyone else what to do. And make them do it at the point of a gun.
Repealing Roe v Wade and returning the choice to the states would be the obvious solution. However, in the real world, there's little "live and let live." Anti-abortion activists could not stand it if a single state did not outlaw abortion according to their will, and using "abortion is murder" as justification, would mobilize to pressure every state into outlawing it.
And whatever the motive of the pro-abortionists (a woman's body is her own, women will be forced into back alley clinics, etc.), I'm sure the ones like you describe would work to have every state legalize abortion.
I say the government should return it to the states, then make sure everyone abides by the policy of live and let live. If that's even possible.
errrr.....were we a Theocracy BEFORE 1973? You STILL have not answered my question.
I know the author very well. Life does not begin at birth. Any doctor will you tell you that. The baby is alive inside the mother with a heart beat. When the heart beat stops, the baby is DEAD, and she has a miscarriage. The opposite of life is death. The baby is either alive or dead in the womb. And since your hang up seems to be the presence of oxygen, again, I'm telling you the baby is receiving oxygen from the mother. Couldn’t that be considered "breath" of life?
MY RAGE IS NOT BLIND. I know what I'm talking about when I discuss the horrors of abortion, on a very personal level. I work with women who suffer post abortion stress issues at a crisis pregnancy center. The picture is not pretty. Up to 80% of women who have received an abortion(s), have emotional issues afterwards, often times, very severe issues. My sister had hers 10 years ago, and frequently calls me crying. If she didn’t have that option, she would have given birth, life would be fine now and my niece or nephew would be alive. Not to mention, a piece of my sister would still be alive. A part of her own heart and soul is dead now. You don’t get it do you? My sister is not alone. There are millions of women out there who thought abortion was the answer. (And 40,000,000 dead American human beings out in a land fill some where).
You twisted the scriptures and you twist God's word around to prove your point, and your point has no logic. Wanting a moral, civilized society where people are not robbed, murdered, raped, etc does NOT mean I want a theocracy. Do you want laws to protect the innocent or are you an anarchists? Do you know what happens to a civilization that allows abortion on demand? Guess who is next. The elderly, the sick, or the “imbeciles”. You could be next. I very much want laws to protect your innocent life. There is no sanctity of life. Life becomes meaningless and disposable. Protecting unborn children does not mean living in a Theocracy. Good grief, even PAGAN civilizations protected the unborn, and they certainly were not living under a Theocracy.
I've slept about 6 hours the last 48 hours. This conversation is over, unless you want to be the recipient of my exhausted wrath.
Got it. My back is better, so I'm of a mind to be a bit nicer myself. :)
That's sacrilege.
In any case, explain how a preemie born 6 months post-conception is more alive than an in-utero prenatal baby at 6 months post-conception???
By the way, your unique DNA came into existence at conception, not before, not after.
That's sacrilege.
According to who?
Me.
Me.
Oookay. :)
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