I don't think anyone posting here wants a theocracy. We just don't care for children being executed without due process; without his or her constitutional right to legal counsel or his or her right to a fair and speedy trial to determine guilt or innocence. What we have now is a form of dictatorship. A woman can dictate the life or death of her unborn living human and say, “Off with your head”. For almost 200 years, we didn't have legalized abortion in our country and no one was guilty of cramming religion down a woman's throat. Now for the past 30 years, we are guilty as sin for saying abortion is murder. As a matter of fact, GEE…..we did just fine without legalized abortion all those years didn’t we? Now we’re all going to hell in a DIAPER BAG.
Abortion is more than just a dead baby. It’s a bad attitude. It has given permission for casual sex with dozens and dozens of partners. What follows is rampant sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted children left to die in a bathroom during the prom, broken homes, lives of guilt and regret. Women in so much grief over their abortion 10 years before, they can’t be a good mother to the children they have now and have terrible problems bonding with their spouse. These women endure severe depressions and long term indescribable grief. etc, etc, etc and on and on we can go.
And I've got news for you, MOST women who get abortions don't want them, they just THINK they do because they are in a panic and they are in shock. After all is said and done, MOST of them REGRET their CHOICE. Many of them are pressured by a boyfriend or a parent to make the CHOICE they want them to make. This is CHOICE? I say we need laws to protect WOMEN and CHILDREN from this very bad and painful CHOICE. Need I mention the fathers involved who have no say in their child's life or death status? If we did away with abortion, most women would keep their unborn HUMAN, give birth and get on with a JOYFUL life. Giving birth and being a mother really isn’t as bad as the Feminazi culture would have us believe.
Perhaps they have another name for it then?
We just don't care for children being executed without due process; without his or her constitutional right to legal counsel or his or her right to a fair and speedy trial to determine guilt or innocence.
What a straw man, since we are talking about a fetus, not a living soul. (Yes, a fetus is alive, but it is not a living soul, because it has not yet been BORN. See how we disagree -- with scriptural grounds claimed on both sides -- on this most basic issue? Now what would you do about that, if you were to find the country divided 50/50 along those very lines? Wouldn't you demand guns for your side to force the other to comply, believing that you are defending the lives and supposed rights of "unborn children?")
What we have now is a form of dictatorship. A woman can dictate the life or death of her unborn living human and say, “Off with your head”.
And so, since in your opinion "abortion is murder of the innocent," that gives you the moral right, and I would say IMPETUS and OBLIGATION and DUTY to do whatever you can to stop the "murder," and extend CONTROL into every aspect of a woman's life, even to her own womb. At least that is how the "abortion is murder" crowd sees -- and justifies -- it. That moves from a "form of dictatorship" into an actual one.
For almost 200 years, we didn't have legalized abortion in our country and no one was guilty of cramming religion down a woman's throat. Now for the past 30 years, we are guilty as sin for saying abortion is murder. As a matter of fact, GEE…..we did just fine without legalized abortion all those years didn’t we? Now we’re all going to hell in a DIAPER BAG.
Back alley abortions and lost and ruined lives as a result -- that's doing just fine? And why do you suppose many women were having the illegal abortions? Because of mistakes in a judgmental, puritanical society, where she would be labeled the worst things, put out of church and shunned for turning of pregnant, her family would suffer the shame, and the child, if born, would carry the name and stigma of "bastard" for life. And "bastard" wasn't just a cute South Park cartoon cuss word then.
Abortion is more than just a dead baby. It’s a bad attitude. It has given permission for casual sex with dozens and dozens of partners. What follows is rampant sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted children left to die in a bathroom during the prom, broken homes, lives of guilt and regret. Women in so much grief over their abortion 10 years before, they can’t be a good mother to the children they have now and have terrible problems bonding with their spouse. These women endure severe depressions and long term indescribable grief. etc, etc, etc and on and on we can go.
And if you had said "fetus" instead of "baby" in the first sentence of that paragraph, I might agree with every last word of it. Except that many women turn and find grace and forgiveness in Jesus Christ and do not suffer the things you mentioned. I would agree that abortion is a snare that can lead to guilt. Therefore screaming "murderer" serves the snare by piling on the guilt; it serves condemnation, and destroys, rather than helps.
And if you really push the logic behind idea that there should be no sex without consequences (or no sex without "blessing"), then even ordinary, routine birth control is evil too.
And I've got news for you, MOST women who get abortions don't want them, they just THINK they do because they are in a panic and they are in shock. After all is said and done, MOST of them REGRET their CHOICE. Many of them are pressured by a boyfriend or a parent to make the CHOICE they want them to make. This is CHOICE? I say we need laws to protect WOMEN and CHILDREN from this very bad and painful CHOICE. Need I mention the fathers involved who have no say in their child's life or death status?
I thought you just said the boyfriends (fathers) are the ones pressuring them into it.
If we did away with abortion, most women would keep their unborn HUMAN, give birth and get on with a JOYFUL life. Giving birth and being a mother really isn’t as bad as the Feminazi culture would have us believe.
Strong points. But "abortion is murder" is not the way to go about it. It hasn't won the debate yet, and it won't, except when the "abortion is murder" crowd finally gets the federal gun power they need to impose their agenda by force.
I personally would like to see Roe v Wade repealed, the authority returned to the individual states to outlaw (or not outlaw) abortion. I would like to return to a time more "innocent," when girls who "got in trouble" simply went away for a few months. They gave the unwanted babies up for adoption of course. I suspect that even in that "innocent" time many of those would have preferred keeping the babies had it not been for cultural labeling and socio-religious pressures.
But even in those times with those options, dangerous back alley abortions were available and being done. Not everyone came from a family of means capable of sending them "away" to have the baby.
And here's where I see your point, to an extent. Legalized abortions seem to have made abortion a casual act of convenience, rather than one of desperation. "Oops, pregnant. No prob. I'll pop in to see the doc this afternoon, and sleep around more tonight." But I think legalization is not nearly to blame as cultural promotion and societal endorsement of abortion.
Let me put it this way. Girls wouldn't be caught dead wearing high waisted jeans if they thoughht their culture (tv/radio/celebrities/magazines/peers) disapproved. If the culture frowned on abortion and promoted the carrying of babies to full term, giving birth (then putting up for adoption if necessary) the majority of abortion clinics would close overnight. And laws -- and enforcement -- wouldn't even be necessary to accomplish it. (WHAT? HEY! NO LAWS? THAT MEANS WE CAN'T RULE OVER THE OTHERS? WE WON'T HEAR OF THAT! NO!)
Again, screaming "abortion is murder" and holding up pictures of aborted fetuses isn't going to get it done. Except by force.