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Neil Young has been criticized by liberals for his stance, "Let's Roll" albumn
USA Today ^ | 04.11.02 | By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY

Posted on 04/11/2002 1:20:01 PM PDT by meandog

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Neil Young has been criticized by liberals for his stance.

Neil Young figured the music world would get on a roll with "Let's roll," Sept. 11's instant catchphrase for U.S. defiance against terrorism.

Amid the glut of musical spinoffs, Young's Let's Roll, a tribute to the passengers of doomed Flight 93, is the only Sept. 11 anthem to seize upon Todd Beamer's last known utterance.


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To: bloodmeridian
Every government action always succeeds, every battle is always won, every plan is brilliant and perfect or other wise little bloodie goes and sucks his thumb until it is perfect now doesn't he?
41 posted on 04/14/2002 8:21:43 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I bet you do just shut up and take it, Mr. Illogician.
42 posted on 04/15/2002 5:48:42 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: bloodmeridian
Can't keep your mind off those winkies?
43 posted on 04/15/2002 7:09:26 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: galt-jw
Hey, What's wrong with long hair?
44 posted on 04/15/2002 7:18:45 AM PDT by MJM59
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Do you ever have a point?
45 posted on 04/15/2002 7:49:26 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: bloodmeridian
One point is that you brought up the issue of homosexual depravities.
46 posted on 04/15/2002 8:24:03 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
And you brought up the issue of personal attacks. Shall we both move on and be productive, or should we just insult each other ad naseum?
47 posted on 04/15/2002 9:09:11 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: Pietro
He's the Only rocker from the sixties that's still relevant (ok, maybe Dylan).

Ted Nugent.

48 posted on 04/15/2002 9:19:26 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: bloodmeridian
I gently mocked you but it wasn't really a crude personal attack like the response to it. When I make a personal attack there is no doubt what it is. However, I have no plans not to respond appropriately when posters give aid and comfort to the enemies of civilization by false claims about the president.
49 posted on 04/15/2002 9:38:48 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Hold it. That's twice you've misconstrued my comments. I made no such "false" statements regarding the president; in fact, I'll be one of the first to get on someone for bashing Bush--though he sometimes needs to be put in his place. (E.g., Campaign Finance Reform.)

In the post that got this non-sequitor started, I said "government" never does any good. You can take that as you wish, but I'll tell you exactly what I meant. Government, though somewhat necessary, is an inherently abusive evil. Good intentions, no matter how well conceived, always spin out of control and, in effect, produce the opposite intent when forced into the black hole of the federal bureaucracy. Social Security and public assistance are two immediate examples that come to mind. Except the current "security" measures are infintely worse: They put incredible power in the hands of police agencies never intended under the Constitution to do nothing but hassle people. And those measures don't even work.

Did you know that undercover agents have routinely carried onto airplanes guns, knives and explosives on since Sept. 11? Did you know that one of the worst offending airports was Pittsburgh International, where every time I board a plane I see no one but old ladies being seached? I suppose that could be construed as "practice" in the event of the need to search a suspected terrorist, but I'm sure the president didn't really want that sort of thing to happen when he set in motion the Patriot Bill--which immediately made thousands of non-citizens and convicted criminals federal employees the moment it went into effect.

And just so you know. I'm not one of the Sheeples. See, I don't serve the president; I serve America. I've given my time in defense of the Constitution, in the face and presence of our enemies, and I'll be right there defending it to the death when the time comes.

50 posted on 04/15/2002 10:12:45 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: meandog
bump
51 posted on 04/15/2002 10:13:23 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: bloodmeridian
The statement that "government never does any good" is just silly as well as being false.

While there is no doubt that it must be carefully controlled it is not avoidable.

Ancedotal evidence is useless and anyway how do you know that the public and egregious searching of an obviously non-threat does not disguise the search of a dozen or more suspects who would be screaming "discrimination" or "profiling" if an occassional grandma was not searched?

Many measures still need to be used that will cause the ACLU to complain about the "loss of rights" which could have been used prior to 9/11 and saved lives. Moslems will have to be monitored to prevent mischief and murder, computer searches will have to be easier, phone taps easier etc. Ethnic profiling is a must and should be extensive. Will there be the same protests when the feds round up some of the missing 100,000s of illegal moslem immigrants?

It is either such actions or accept death from the Mindless Murdering Morons of Mad Mo when they decide to mete it out. I prefer to live.

52 posted on 04/15/2002 11:19:29 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The only thing silly here is that some learned people actually trust in government. Show me your evidence proving government does any good at all. Did it build you a road? Is it a statistical success? The private sector could have done it cheaper and stronger, more timely and of better materials, made it longer lasting and maybe helped you make a little money from the endeavor through your investment.

The only good that government does is perpetuate itself. You still don't get it: Government lives independently of the people who set it in motion; it's like AIDS, morphing and thriving and taking advantage and suffocating wherever it goes. It does not uplift the masses or make life or commerce better or provide comfort. It's pretty terrible at providing security, as you can plainly tell from September 2001 and since.

But I'll give you one thing. You're right to fight against the Mo Minions. Because they're all around you. They probably told you how high you could build the fence on your property, and precisely where and where you could not put it. It probably built you a stadium in which you can spend summer afternoons watching people catch pop flies. It probably took half your pay and gave it to your nextdoor neighbor, who'll use it tonight to shoot up, if not at this precise moment. It probably told your children that America is "broken" and needs to fall in line with more "civilized" people in Europe, Asia, and Africa. But, to such a knowledgeable person as yourself, that's all just anecdotal and therefore irrelevant and therefore non-existent.

Keep smoking whatever it is you smoke. It just might set you free.

53 posted on 04/15/2002 1:45:01 PM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: bloodmeridian
Since apparently you are not aware of realities of American history I must tell you that the transportation system was an absolute disaster until the governments started road building. There is no way for private roadbuilders to handle the "freeloader" problem with roads and even if they could toll collection is extremely inefficient. Railroads were only profitable for a while even with the positive and helpful role the federal and state governments played in their development. Without the state playing a role our nation's economic development would have been much slower and our standard of living much lower.

Study the program of Alexander Hamilton and you might get a clue wrt the productivity of government when properly administered.

Governments grow because more and more rights are claimed by more and more diverse groups of people this engenders laws and courts and programs to deal with the conflicts. When only a few people had the means to enforce their claimed rights there was little need for governments. The rich and powerful just did what they wanted and the rest just had to shutupandtakeit.

How could private individuals have handled the need to force individuals and other governments to allow ex-slaves free exercise of their rights rather than kill and brutalize them by the thousands in the South when they organized politically?

Research by government laboratories has played a major role in new product development for decades now. There would be no Las Vegas without power from Hoover dam nor would the economies of the southern states be as productive without the TVA. There are many other successes due to wise government. But the ideological dreamers just say "Yeah, well but...."

Simplistic solutions are evariably wrong.

54 posted on 04/15/2002 2:54:01 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Believers like you who trust the system only because you can stomach the compromises it takes to get what you want are part of the problem of history. I may be idealistic but in the end it is my kind of idealism that will keep you believers honest. And when it all comes crumbling down, you'll be counting on the idealists to bail you out. Won't that be ironic.
55 posted on 04/16/2002 7:01:08 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: bloodmeridian
When faced with facts you shift gears to throw out irrelevencies. "Idealists" like you never accomplish anything significant and will be the last to "bail" out anyone. You are too busy attacking those actually out getting dirty fighting in the arena. Look at this thread where you whine for perfection while our country is taking uncertain steps dealing with a deadly enemy.

Those who created this country, Washington (you would attack him for retreating from the British), Hamilton (he wasn't even born in North America so we couldn't listen to him even if he was the greatest genius this nation ever produced), Franklin (how dare he negoiate with ours enemies), Marshall (just another crypto-fascist to you I am sure), Adams (he believed in a strong government) never had help from such "idealists" who are always too good to get their hands dirty.

The "system" (sounds like the ole commie terminology) I believe in and support is the one created by the American people and the Constitution, not one dreamed up by effete weinies whose ideas are roundly, routinely and totally rejected by 98% of the people every chance they get.

Just who do you support politically anyway? Browne, Phillips, Pat, Keyes, Reed or some other featherweight.

56 posted on 04/16/2002 10:46:25 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Bush. I've just been jerking you around for two days.
57 posted on 04/16/2002 12:01:09 PM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: justshutupandtakeit
BTW, I was going to send you P.J. O'Rourke's budget for the federal government, just to give you a hint that I've been mostly pulling your leg all along. But now, with that silly effette comment, I'm prime to kick you're old Chicago ... well, I'll not go there. You aren't worth the bandwidth let alone my sarcasm.
58 posted on 04/16/2002 12:46:18 PM PDT by bloodmeridian
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To: bloodmeridian
Your idea of "jerking me around" is to make yourself look stupid? Have at it.
59 posted on 04/17/2002 12:28:18 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: bloodmeridian
"you're" ?

Oh, boohoo I won't get to hear any more of your prime cut humor. Gee, what will I do now? Talk to someone serious?

60 posted on 04/17/2002 12:30:19 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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