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1 posted on 04/12/2002 6:13:53 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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parents should avoid spanking their children

what does "avoid" mean? Saving it for exceptional misbehavior? Sure. remove it entirely from the pedagogical armementarium? Don't think so.

Kids are all different- some respond to gentle persuasion, others require a bit more vigorous intervention.

2 posted on 04/12/2002 6:20:00 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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While I don't have any children myself, my brother has no problem with my hand "connecting" with my nieces/nephews butts when they get out of hand.
3 posted on 04/12/2002 6:20:37 AM PDT by TomServo
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Spare the rod, spoil the child.
4 posted on 04/12/2002 6:20:57 AM PDT by Clemenza
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'Connectedness,' Not Spanking, Best Way to Raise Kids, Says Author

I agree. When an adult's hand "connects" with a misbehaving child's bottom, this is a good thing.

5 posted on 04/12/2002 6:22:20 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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What an idiot. I guess he believes all children are the same and therefore respond the same to punishment.
6 posted on 04/12/2002 6:22:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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Dr. S. DuBose Ravenel

His dad was my doctor.

7 posted on 04/12/2002 6:23:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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Spanking and forming emotional connections are not mutually exclusive. In fact, if one spanks biblically, it is a commanded tool for establishing emotional connections.
8 posted on 04/12/2002 6:23:53 AM PDT by twigs
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Two words come to mind, Bull $hit! We should not strike our children out of anger, we should not abuse them in any way. But a good well placed throttling definately get's the message across that they shouldn't have done what they did. I know in my case when my dad whipped my butt that I was not going to do that again because the punishment was a detterent.
9 posted on 04/12/2002 6:25:29 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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San Francisco-based clinical psychologist Dr. Theron Alexander
Most psychologist in Kalifornia just don't seem to know how to handle child raising. I was spanked while I was younger, and I have no psychological problems, love my parents, and plan to raise my children the same way.
10 posted on 04/12/2002 6:32:23 AM PDT by sspxsteph
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And you can't do that by hurting, by control, by rules, regulations and threats," he said.

And this, my friends, is why the much of the Baby Boom generation grew up to be such self-absorbed spoiled brats, and damn near ruined this country - because their parents followed the rearing advice of one Dr. Spock, who spouted pretty much the same psychobabble.

I have a three year old daughter. When she needs it, she gets a spanking, it gets her attention real quick and she learns that she can't continue to do what she was doing wrong. Talking to her, or "connecting", as this fool wants, won't get through to her; she's only three. She doesn't have the capacity to rationalize like this idiot thinks she does. As a parent, I hate doing this - no one wants to cause their child pain. But a little sore bottom now can save the child and their family a lot of pain in the future. This guy is a moron, and most of my fellow Gen-X parents that I know are raising our kids in a totally different fashion than our parents - with rules, regulations, and discipline, because we know that to not discipline your child is to really not love them.

11 posted on 04/12/2002 6:33:24 AM PDT by egarvue
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I was spanked three times as a child, I seem to recall. I was a slow learner, it took me that many times to figure out that my dad didn't make idle threats.

I still honor and adore my father and hope I can do half as well with my own kids.

12 posted on 04/12/2002 6:36:18 AM PDT by Snake65
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San Francisco-based clinical psychologist Dr. Theron Alexander
Does this person even have children ?
I bet the answer is no
13 posted on 04/12/2002 6:48:38 AM PDT by qwert
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Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah.....

You cannot spank me!


16 posted on 04/12/2002 6:59:44 AM PDT by Icthus
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"Children whose parents have displayed powerful love and powerful discipline are the children who have the highest level of trust and confidence in their parents."

I don't believe my wife and I ever spanked any of our children more than two or three times. In each instance it was at most a one-or-three swat thing, delivered on a well-diapered behind, and made more noise than anything else. But it startled them and got their attention pronto. We have powerful bonds with our kids. They are well-behaved, cheerful, well-adjusted, successful, and conservative.

But none of our children was stubborn or had a rebellious streak from birth. My wife and I are blessed for that. I know other parents who were not so fortunate. Discipline for such a child is a whole different ball game.

17 posted on 04/12/2002 7:03:20 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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What a bunch of liberal, empty-headed, pseudo-intellectual takes-a-village-to-raise-a-child, tripe!

The fact is that "experts" like Ravenel are one major rason why people do not know how to be a parent. Americans have come to rely on these idiot "experts" for advice on how to raise children - big mistake! These "experts" don't know manure from apple butter; and now thanks to these expert psychologists, psychiatrists, sociologists (pseudo-sciences), as well as the juvenile justice system, television (as a baby sitter), and tyranical and amoral public schools, most Americans are no longer capable of being a good parent. They have abrogated their responsibilities. Today's parents were yesterday's mis-parented children! You can't pass on to your children what you don't have in the first place!

18 posted on 04/12/2002 7:05:33 AM PDT by exmarine
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Alexander adds: "Connectedness does away with conflict in family life."

Uhhh...say what? What's that scripture..."A brother is born for adversity."

20 posted on 04/12/2002 7:15:08 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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Another academic with no kids.
21 posted on 04/12/2002 7:16:41 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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I'm not passing judgement on how other parents choose to raise their kids (assuming no outright abuse). But personally, I have a strong-willed three year old daughter that has never been spanked, and she is doing just fine. I believe there are better ways to discipline kids than hitting.

It takes a lot of patience to raise a kid without spanking, but I believe that the results are worth the extra effort.

22 posted on 04/12/2002 7:24:07 AM PDT by Maceman
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..."I think [spanking] is harmful, and it teaches the wrong thing-that 'might makes right"....

WRONG, Dr. Alexander---your premise of "I think" is WRONG--you did not think! You daydreamed up some bilgewater liberal idea and regurgitated it to write a book.

...""Parents are spending less and less time with the children and often have turned to drugging the children to control their behavior," Alexander said"....

Well, DUH, Dr. Alexander--this idea certainly wasn't initiated nor enforced by parents at large--another liberal concept from head shrinkers such as yourself.

..."They don't provide the time, affection and love the children need. There is a basic need for that -- a concerned, close, affectionate, trusting relationship with parents. And you can't do that by hurting, by control, by rules, regulations and threats," he said"....

There are many parents who do not provide for their childrens' emotional needs--could a part of the problem be with fedgov's assertion of nannystate do all/be all/end all have anything to do with this crisis? Fedgov's nannystate where two parents aren't important to the health and well-being of children?

And finally, Dr. Alexander, you are simply full of shit if you think that 'hurting, control, rules, and regulations, and threats' aren't an important factor in child rearing......take your 'if it feels good, just do it attitude' and shove it--YOU ARE A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM!

23 posted on 04/12/2002 7:31:20 AM PDT by Rowdee
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The Jihad Johnny method of child-rearing. No thanks Dr. Stupid.
26 posted on 04/12/2002 7:35:02 AM PDT by Brett66
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