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1 posted on 04/12/2002 6:13:53 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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Trying for "connectednes" or "reasoning" with very young children is impossible, and frustration at this failure can lead to abuse. A little whap on the back of a toddler butt can be very effective, esp. with those plastic diapers, it sounds much worse than it feels ! I spanked my children rarely but it was enough to let them know I meant business and it got to the point where all they needed was the "evil mom-eye" look to straighten them out. My teenagers (and even the 21 year-old) still won't mess with me if I give him that look !

We've probably all had the pleasure (not) of watching a timid, afraid to discipline parent trying to reason with their out-of-control, screaming brat-child in a store or restaraunt. As soon as I hear them speaking in that sing-songy "now sweetie, you don't want mommy (or daddy) to feel sad" type voice, my brain screams !! Of course the kid wants mommy or daddy to be sad, they want mommy to be sad enough to give in and buy them the toy or candy or whatever it is they want NOW !

27 posted on 04/12/2002 7:39:00 AM PDT by twyn1
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Discipline, punishment, rules and regulations all mean that there is lack of trust and confidence."

Discipline and punishment should not be used interchangeably. Punishment inflicts pain - discipline builds character.

Both have a place in raising children. Punishment "imposes a penalty on for a fault, offense, or violation". Whether that comes from a swat on the fanny, a "time out", or loss of privilege, it comes as a result of willful disobedience.

Every child is different. My daughter would utterly wilt when confronted with her disobedience. She only needed spanking 2 or 3 times.

My son was not as easy. He suffered a few more spankings.

Discipline is "training that corrects, molds, or perfects the mental faculties or moral character". My children were disciplined on an ongoing basis, and are now 2 of the finest people I know. At 18 and 21, I only wish I had been half the person they are now.

29 posted on 04/12/2002 7:42:19 AM PDT by mombonn
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Another failed 60's child-rearing theory from a leftist idiot.

"San Francisco-based clinical psychologist Dr. Theron Alexander explains his theory of "connectedness" in the new book."

Yes, the men are always "connecting" with the boys in San Francisco.

35 posted on 04/12/2002 8:19:01 AM PDT by moyden
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"The relationship with the child is damaged by conflict, and if you say to the child, 'I love you, I care for you ... and I'm going to hurt you,' this doesn't make any sense, ...The child does not understand it. Discipline, punishment, rules and regulations all mean that there is lack of trust and confidence." Dr Moron Alexander

Of course there is a lack of trust and confidence! Trust is earned by obedience. How can you trust a child or be confident that a child will do the right thing if you have not trained them to do so? You can't. Children come into this world with pure self interest and nothing else (If you doubt that man has a sin nature, observe two-year olds!)They have to be trained. And training sometimes requires correction. Willful defiance requires strong correction.

Unfortunately, most libs want to treat children like they're little adults. "If I can just explain it to my 3-year old, then they'll understand and do the right thing." Balderdash and popycock! I have seen some friends try to do just that and watch them then negotiate with the child before giving in and allowing the child to do what he wanted. They are training their child allright, but training him in defiance and rebellion.

With adults, action follows belief, so explaining to an adult may work. With small children, belief follows action, so you have to train their external actions to formulate their internal beliefs so that when they mature, you can then reason with them.

Training does require consistency on the part of the parents, however. Many parents only spank when they have had enough. Depending on the state of mind of the parent, the boundary moves, confusing the child. Children who have fluid boudaries are insecure and always testing those boundaries, because their world is also constantly changing. Children who have firm boundaries are secure in those boundaries and will only test them once in a while to make sure that they are still there and that their world has not changed.

Bill (father of 3).

38 posted on 04/12/2002 8:44:35 AM PDT by Warhammer
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Parents who oppose the CPS anti-spanking stupidity should check out my web page: http://www.geocities.com/cp_prosecutions/spanking.html
39 posted on 04/26/2002 11:56:02 PM PDT by cherrycapital
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