[forest]

The point is, the election of 2000 was not a very clean election. On election day, certain Democratic Party aligned groups had a couple million dollars in unregulated "walking around" money spread around the country to cause all sorts of mischief.

One would expect that Congress would address this issue. But, that does not seem to be the case.

The problem is, no one seems to be enforcing the election laws we already have.

Besides, what do we need with yet another "commission" when we already have a federal election commission? Congress should make that one work -- or get rid of it. What is greatly needed is aggressive enforcement of our election laws. Those disenfranchising honest voters by committing voter fraud should be arrested, prosecuted and get a couple years free room and board.

[Fish out of Water]

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[bayourod]

"The problem is, no one seems to be enforcing the election laws we already have. "

The type of "walkin-round" and ballot stuffing election law violations you are talking about are enforced at the local level by those who continue to win elections under the present system. Why rock the boat?

[supercat]

There is nothing wrong with punchcard machines which could not be fixed with a few simple changes:

• Have electronic ballot boxes which will not accept any ballot which is not properly and completely voted [see #2]
• Have for each office a "No candidate selection" punch and then at the end of the ballot have a space to punch a two-digit number indicating how many punches were made on the rest of the ballot. If someone isn't bright enough to count, they could insert the ballot without these columns punched and the machine would tell them what to punch there.
• Neither overvotes nor uncounted undervotes would be acceptable on any submitted ballot; any such ballot would have to be corrected (in case of uncounted undervotes) or voided and replaced.

With these changes, it would be impossible to alter any valid ballot without producing an invalid ballot, and there would be no excuse for having any significant number of invalid ballots in the box.

[boris]

The thing they are aiming for--and will eventually get--is an all-electronic voting system. Possibly by internet.

And it will make vote fraud infinitely easy. Which is the intent.

--Boris

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Last December, H.R. 3295, the "Help America Vote Act of 2001," passed the House by a vote of 362 - 63. Last week, it passed the Senate as S. 565. Among other things, the bill would authorize the federal government to spent up to $400 Million to "Buyout Punch Card Voting Machines."

This is stupid. Throwing money at the problem will do very little or nothing to solve the problem. The problem is that we have a bunch of dishonest people and liars in the U.S.A.