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No. Women "get pregnant" by having sex with men. A man and a woman co-concieve.

I thought that this was understood. That's why I didn't mention it.

Therefore, any man who does take personal steps to prevent conception and does not want a child is complicit is using abortion as his birth control method of choice. If he is pro-Life he is a hypocrite.

Well, my next statement is going to keep me in trouble with the sisters. Pregnancy, when it all boils down, is on the woman. A man can not, under any circumstance, get pregnant. Never! Therefore, the ultimate answer lies (no pun intended) with the woman. I'm not excusing irresponsible men, but let's face it. If a woman truly does not seek to get pregnant, she can either decline to have sex, or, take every means possible to thwart it. She can demand that the man wear a condom or say, "Nope. No nookie for you!" She can take birth control pills. If her body's hormones won't tolerate birth control pills, she can get an IUD. She can also use spermicidal products. The man can do this as well (prophylactics), but he's not the one who will get the pot belly. The woman will!

There are no 100% reliable contraceptives.

True. But, as a percentage, how many birth control pills fail? As a percentage, how many IUDs fail?

[Lorianne]

Well, my next statement is going to keep me in trouble with the sisters. Pregnancy, when it all boils down, is on the woman. A man can not, under any circumstance, get pregnant. True but men ARE fathers. And there is another 18 years after pregnancy to consider. In short, you put too much emphasis on pregnancy and fail to account for the TWO people who create that state. YOUR attitude is why we have abortion.

Therefore, the ultimate answer lies (no pun intended) with the woman.

No it does not. But if you insist on making it so, we will continue to have abortion. YOUR attitude is why we have abortion.

I'm not excusing irresponsible men,

Yes, you are. That is exactly what you are doing. And that is exactly what you are intentionally doing. But you knew that. If a woman truly does not seek to get pregnant, she can either decline to have sex, or, take every means possible to thwart it.

And if a man doesn't want to be a father to a child he co-created, he can do exactly the same. We're not talking about pregnancy, pregnancy lasts only 9 months, (thats 4% of a childs life from conception to age 18). What you are doing is putting the onus on the woman to be Un-pregnant as a prevention for a child existing. That attitude leads directly to... you guessed it... abortion. She can demand that the man wear a condom or say, "Nope. No nookie for you!"

Typical. Where is the man's responsibility? Oh I know, it is Mommy telling him what to do. Do men not have free will? Can he not think for himself and take responsibilty for his actions. Apparently not. Your attitude is that men are little children who must always have a "mommy" to blame for not restricting him. You need your mommy don't you?

When o when will some men act like men and not whiney little boys?

She can take birth control pills. If her body's hormones won't tolerate birth control pills, she can get an IUD. She can also use spermicidal products. The man can do this as well (prophylactics), but he's not the one who will get the pot belly. The woman will!

The man can get a vasectomy and he can wear a condom (without being asked). And believe me, I see plenty of men with pot bellies! (That was a cheep shot showing just how much regard you have for women).