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To: The Giant Apricots
Food for thought. Thanks for posting this.

The turn of phrase "an incubator of the state," is very revealing.

Wouldn't the real "incubators of the state" be federally-funded laboratories that artificially create humans whom they can kill at will? It's interesting that this laboratory-base creation of human life would probably be fully acceptable to the pro-feticiders, who don't see the fetus as a human being. It is actually the Pro-lifers who fight against these incubators.

It all comes down to this. Pro-Choicers support the Right to Kill helpless humans, whether the helpless humans are in the lab or in the womb.

4 posted on 04/14/2002 8:41:49 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: syriacus
How can the support of abortion be viewed as support of "feminism?" By their decision to support abortion, Feminists are actually masculinizing women.

It would have been truer and purer feminism if, when the feminists came into power, they actually supported pregnant women instead of encouraging them to make themselves (temporarily) barren, like men.

Pro-choicers like to say, "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." They never consider that men (the guys in power according to the feminists, remember) might have decided to support each other in their pregnancies. Men have made sure to arrange support for themselves in other situations. The men could have "chosen" to make pregnancy, not abortion, the "sacrament."

The more radical left-wing feminists think things through only about half-way. They stop thinking when they get to an unfounded "conclusion/assumption" that they like. In this case, they wanted to be able to kill fetuses. Feminists use their might and creativity to fight for so many causes. It's sad that they dropped the ball on supporting pregnant women.

8 posted on 04/14/2002 9:16:15 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: syriacus
Exactly. I don't think the feminists would have any problem at all with the idea of "incubators of the State," as long as the "incubators" in question were housed in government laboratories. What better way, after all, to free women from the constraints of biology?

That's what it's about, I think, and that's why the author misses the point. Granted, on the one hand this debate is about the issue of "control," but he misses the obverse - namely that it is also about the issue of emancipation. And it isn't merely about being emancipated from culture; it's about the emancipation of women from the constraints of nature or biology.

Which brings up an interesting question concerning the Left's rhetoric concerning nature. To them, nature is inherently a good thing, worth preserving, protecting. Science and technology, in this view, are inherently bad in that they make war against nature.

But science and technology aren't evil when they are used to control human biology. On the contrary, the Left is in favor of enlisting science in the struggle against population control, pregnancy. As Allan Bloom pointed out in the Closing of the American Mind, the Left is involved in a huge contradiction regarding nature and science. The principle of consistency has been repealed.

11 posted on 04/14/2002 9:51:55 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: syriacus
Here's the scenario:

A woman is in the hospital for complications with her pregnancy. The doctor tells her that if she gives birth to this baby, she will die. So the woman has two choices. She can kill her baby and live or she can give birth and die.

What does she do?

13 posted on 04/14/2002 10:24:45 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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