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YOUR attitude is why we have abortion. You have the exact same attitude as pro-Choice, it's the woman's body the woman's choice. You get what you ask for.

Regardless of how you conduct your personal life you are supporting an attidue which ultimately places the responsiblity on women to prevent conception. Conception is the issue, not pregnancy. It takes TWO to initiate conception, it only taks one to sustain it. Therefore, by making pregnancy the issue, you are promoting abortion as the solution.

Your focus is twisted. When there is a pregnancy, IT IS TOO LATE to talk about blame. By focussing solely on the biological state of being pregnant, you have virtually ensured that the solutions will always be "after the fact" and exclude men ... which is what you want.

The correct focus is on preventing conception. And that involves TWO people, one male, one female. The reason you don't like that is because you're male and you wish to ensure your gender, at the end of the day, ultimately, has ZERO accountability in pro-creation and its consequences. you are valiantly defending the status quo "male exemption" option ... which is how we got to where we are today with abortion.

Pregnancy does not just happen by magic. It is a natural oucome of sex, then conception. The ony way to prevent "pregnancy" which YOU identify as "the problem" is to prevent conception. And since it takes TWO to concieve, the onus is on both to prevent. Any after-the-fact solutions are just that, after-the-fact. None of them are good. Prevention is the only way.

Yes, women sustain a conception and the result is a child. But we are ALL responsible for that child in the event of default of one or both parents. If not then what? Infanticide? Is that the preferable option to requiring BOTH parents be responsible to their offspring?

Apparently your only interest is to demonize (who knows maybe even criminilize) pregnancy. Anything to avoid the discussion of equal participation in conception. We must avoid that discussion at all costs right? You know what, demonizing women and pregnancy doesn't work. That's how we got abortion in the numbers we have today.

What YOUR attitude does is attempt to ultimately wash men's hands of ALL responsibilty in sex and its consequences by demoninzing pregnancy ... this is why we have abortion. You asked for it, you got it. There is no better reason to render oneselef un-pregnant, except to avoid being demonized by people like you. Ergo, abortion becomes the law of the land. Problem solved. You should be happy.

Now, for those men out there who are nothing more than sperm donors, I blame them for their practices. But let's be totally honest here. How many men are going to refuse a woman who spreads her legs, huh? How many?

Yadda yadda yadda. This is the classic "boys will be boys" attitude. You know what? Fine. Let's allow it. Men don't have to do a g@ddam thing, OK? And to be equal we'll also allow the "girls will be girls" attitude. Women don't have to be responsible either. Nobody has to be responsible for anything they do. There, happy now? Hope you like paying taxes for welfare and prisons, hope you like high crime rates.

What I'd like to know is when did the Conservative mantra of "personal responsibility" exempt men? I've come across tons and tons of STUPID WOMEN.

So what? There are an equal number of stupid men. You better take that poppycock nonsense somewhere else.

Oh really? Make me.

It boils down to... at the end of the day... you don't think men should be held accountable for their actions. Oh you think it would be nice if they were responsible, if they feel like it, but in the end you don't really think they have to be and you don't support making them accountable do you?

Since it takes two to make a child, it is unfair to make only one party accountable. That attitude is unfair and inequitable and it leads precisely to the situation we are facing now ... abortion.

YOUR attitude is why we have abortion.

Yep. It's my fault.

Whatever you're drinking, let me get a swig. Oh, wait. I don't drink anymore.

Nevermind.

Hey now: everybody come together, try to love one another, right now. You're both bright. Men and women should share the responsibility and rights inherent to conceiving a child in the context of mutually consensual relations, which indeed, tends to be the context. Share the credit, and once 23 and 23 become 46, the blame is too late.

Now shake hands, RDB3 and Lorianne.

You're on the same side.

Fight together in...

PAX APRICOTUS !!!

I don't think he is blaming women per se, I think he is stating that it is foolish to trust someone who can escape the responsibility of raising a child easier than you can. If a woman engages in intercourse with a man who sleeps around, you can be assured that he will not be a good father or be the type that takes responsibility for raising a child.

I hope I am right and that this is just a case of a crossed wire.