Are the Arabs entitled to an ethnically-cleansed West Bank?

4/15/2002 | self

[okie01]

Photos of a sick society.

Even terminal, perhaps...

[timestax]

I'm so mad all's I can do is "bump"!

[LarryLied]

I don't see any solution ever. Legalisms went out the window...well, come to think of it, I don't think there were ever any Arabs respected. Arabs who want to get Jews, and most do, will crawl through sewers or build rafts and float to NYC to get them.

[dennisw]

There are 200,000 Jews on the West Bank. Many of them live in what are just suburbs of Jerusalem and other Israeli cities. How many Pallies on West Bank? 1.5 million? 2 milion?

[American in Israel]

Well, the Bible says that those nations that would divide the hills of Judea will be destroyed by god. Guess where the Judean hills are... The West Bank. Any nation that signs into the "Land for Peace" mantra and publicly backs the creation of a Palestinian State using the Hebron Hills and Samaria as the give-away will be destroyed. Bush is playing with fire and America may get burned if he does not wake up, and quick. When the Bible so clearly states a position like that, it always comes true.

[wita]

Then it is incumbent on these countries to pay for their sins by taking in the Palis.

You have pretty much nailed the situation to the cross. The situation you describe should have taken place in 1948, but noooooo, the arab world decided right then to continue, perpetuate, extend, escalate, pursue, further, the familial dispute that has become a war of genocide against Israel and has been going on since the days of Abraham.

There are valid reasons on both sides of the coin, but the methods used by the Arabs are not to be tolerated in a civilized world, at the peril of our very existance. The world choice is, Israel exists where they are, or they do not. Nothing in between is possible with the present arab attitude, and I question what amount of blood it would take to actually change the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Mohammedin minds.

The bottom line is, we as a nation should not, nay cannot live as we now live, in fear of the next attack which will surely come, if we sit back and wait, engage in diplomacy and talk, when it is patently obvious to me that talk is expensive when dealing with people who originated horse trading. We talk we lose. Of course we must talk, but we need sunset on talk after it becomes clear that the arab world has no intention of allowing talk to change their attitude. It is that simple.

[Publius6961]

There is a profound contradiction that everyone seems to be tapdancing around.
I will try to compile the number of Jews and Christians, including churches and synagogues in the following countries:

Egypt
Lebanon
Jordan
Syria
Iraq
Iran
Kuwait
Qtar
Bahrain
United Arab Emirates
Oman
Yemen
Afghanistan
Pakistan

As a percentage of the population, it is very relevant to have a firm grasp of the mindset of Islam, and its level of intolerance for dissent and other religions specifically.
The history of the Middle in the last century and a half is absolutely necessary and relevant for assessing the current attempt to surround Israel with Muslim states.
Once the new "State" of "palestine" is official, the destruction of Jews will be only a matter of time, and the thought of shrugging our collective shoulders and saying "Oh well", is ugly distateful and predictable.

I for one cannot countenance it as an option, simply on moral and human terms.

[Publius6961]

But wouldn't this be, in some ways, the ultimate test of Palestinian good intentions? If they are willing and able to take responsibility for protecting a Jewish minority, then maybe they could finally join the family of responsible nations...

Sounds great, doesn't it?
And the beauty of it is, all we would be risking in order to deny reality and past performance is the lives of several thousand Jews.
I am sure it is worth the price to test our faith in human nature, using the phrase rather loosely...

[Let's Roll]

"The success of Israel breeds envy, hatred, and homicidal rage in the Arab world because it points out the miserable failure of modern Arab culture."

"Miserable failure" is so true. Perhaps one of the more minor examples but very visual if you saw any of the clips this weekend of the telethon for martyrs hosted by the Saudis? Saudis - all men in the shots I saw manning the phones and computers - decked out in full headgear and flowing white robes that appeared to be getting in the way of picking up phones, using keyboards etc. None of the equipment in that room - phones,'puters, tv production equipment had been invented, manufactured or improved anywhere in the Arab world. Quite striking.

Just as their culture was never able to develop their own oil extraction and distribution - that would be too much like work. Seriously, the ME ideal is to have enough servants or slaves that one never has to turn a tap. We laugh at the 72 virgins but what about a paradise that also awards palaces of gold and 10,000 slaves? A more useless people has never existed. No wonder lefties and anti-America academia feels such affinity for them.

[Sabramerican]

We can get to your question after we find out what are "Palestinians" are how are they distinguished to merit their own nation.

Before any answers be advised that by the criteria of the PLO Charter, I am a "Palestinian".

[BenF]

There is no double standard at all. You see, the Arabs want to murder Jews. There's nothing really wrong with that, according to the self-proclaimed "America First" types.

[BenF]

I don't see any solution ever.

You're not really looking that hard, are you Larry?

[timestax]

bump

[null and void]

There has never been and never will be a Palestinian State

Never will be? Never is a long time.

I would suggest putting it in Afghanistan...

[LarryLied]

You're not really looking that hard, are you Larry?

Impute motives in an attempt to mock or demonize. I'll add you to the list of those who, mistakenly, think using Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals as a guideline to posting wins them points or adds anything to this forum. Tactic #5 and tactic #13 are the extent of your repertoire however. Haven't they told you to read and use the entire thing? Try another next time. Takes more effort but you will learn.

[BenF]

Impute motives in an attempt to mock or demonize.

Isn't that what you've done in a rather poor attempt to rebutt my point?

There is a solution, Larry. The fact that you refuse to see it is your shortcoming, not mine.

[freebilly]

Never will be? Never is a long time. I would suggest putting it in Afghanistan...

Maybe we can give them the glassy radio-active ruins of Baghdad....

[null and void]

That could work. Do we put them there first?...

[dalebert]

Arabs are after an ethenicaly cleansed world.