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Sick Palestinians die at Israeli checkpoints, unable to get to hospital
AFP

Posted on 04/17/2002 8:26:01 AM PDT by RCW2001

NABLUS, West Bank, April 16 (AFP) - Mohammad Oudeh watched his 18-month-old niece die as he waited in vain to get her through an Israeli army checkpoint on the outskirts of Nablus for urgent treatment in hospital.

"Leila died at the checkpoint. We went back to the village to bury her," he said, her name joining a swelling list of Palestinians paying with their lives because Israel's occupation of the West Bank denied them access to ambulances and hospitals.

The victims include children unable to receive treatment for bullet wounds and kidney patients prevented from receiving access to dialysis, they said.

The problem has become critical since Israel invaded the West Bank on March 29, with the army shutting down whole cities and imposing strict curfews.

Leila underwent open-heart surgery six months ago and needed regular hospital treatment.

"We are suffering a humanitarian disaster. Dozens of people are dying each day from the closure of the villages," Mustafa Barghuti, head of Palestinian medical relief, told AFP.

"Even if a person has appendicitis he will die," Barghuti said. "The health system in the Palestinian territories is paralysed because the residents cannot get to clinics and hospitals in the cities."

Since the Israeli army launched its vast offensive in the West Bank, the movement of ambulances and Red Crescent and Red Cross workers has been restricted.

Ahmad Mahmud Abu Seif died in Jalbun, a village about 12 kilometres (nine miles) from Jenin in the northern West Bank, on April 12 because he could not get to hospital for dialysis.

"My father was going three times (a week) to have dialysis in Al-Watani hospital in Nablus. We tried to ask for ambulances, for the Red Crescent, but the army did not allow us to move," his son Rafid told AFP.

"We tried ourselves on the fourth of the month, the second day of the Nablus occupation. My father has medical documents explaining his case to allow him to move for treatment but the army refused to acknowledge them and made us go back to our village.

"We did that almost every day from every entrance to the city until my father became sallow and his colour changed gradually until we almost didn't know him.

"We were watching him die before our very eyes and we were unable to help him."

Omar Abu Rub said that when his brother Mohammad, 40, complained of chest pains the original diagnosis was a mild stroke but within a matter of days he was dead because they were unable to get him medical care.

"After the first stroke the doctor said he needed to go to hospital but there was no way to get there.

"My brother got another stroke on April 14. We tried to take him to hospital but he died with us as we were crossing the checkpoint in our car.

The head of hospitals in the West Bank, Mussa Abu Hmeid, said complete statistics of the number of people to have died because they could not get medical treatment had not been compiled, but the victims included a 12-year-old boy who was hit by a bullet in the Askar refugee camp near Nablus.

In Jalbun village, Fakhri Abu Al Rub said he tried all the emergency services when his mother had a stroke on April 12 but it was impossible to get assistance.

"We called everyone but they were forbidden to move," he said. "No one could move my mother to hospital and she became paralysed and her health situation is bad."

Although Jalbun, in a cluster of villages housing about 25,000 people, was under curfew, "we cannot move to any city where there is a hospiyal like Jenin or Nablus," he said.


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To: RCW2001
I agree. The Palestinians are sick!
41 posted on 04/17/2002 10:45:49 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: RCW2001
Why hasn't the PLO, or even the many Arab oil states that are willing to subsidize its bombers, set up clinics and hospitals in PLO territory, so the Arabs don't have to cross into Jewish territory to get treatment??
42 posted on 04/17/2002 11:07:58 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: DonQ
And after the Palestinians get their own state (.. yeah, like that's ever really going to happen ..), do they expect to be allowed across a national boundary to use Israeli hospitals? To work in their shops? To shop in their shops?

Hopefully, once the wall goes up, there will only be a triple-barrier of concertina and landmines facing the Palis, with no passages through the fence.

43 posted on 04/17/2002 11:13:09 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: mgstarr
"If these 'innocent' people have condoned or supported their murderous terrorist leadership, then they are no less 'innocent' than the German and Japanese civilians during WW2. You pay the consequences for your support or acquienscence.

Next time, choose your leadership more carefully."

At least that's what the 9/11 bombers said.

44 posted on 04/17/2002 12:30:30 PM PDT by Tauzero
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To: RCW2001
Since they have women and children carry out their murders for them, I don't feel bad when I hear that Palestinian women and children are eliminated along with the men. Get rid of them all.
45 posted on 04/17/2002 12:36:28 PM PDT by Floratina
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To: Tauzero
At least that's what the 9/11 bombers said

I suppose your post makes sense if you have no concept of right and wrong.
Last I checked, we haven't sent men, women and children on murderous suicide missions.

When your argument isn't moral relativism, please post again.

46 posted on 04/17/2002 12:49:16 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: RCW2001
My information is that war is hell.

Which are more numerous, the deaths of this type, or of those caused by the homicide bombers getting into Israel when access was more free?

47 posted on 04/17/2002 12:52:21 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If Arafat and other PNA leaders gave a rats arse about the "Palestinian" people they would have invested in schools, infrastructure, democracy and economic growth instead of suicide training centers.

If they hate the Israelis, why are they so desperate to get to their hospitals? They keep saying they want to die for their beliefs, so let them. Israel really needs a wall right away.

48 posted on 04/17/2002 12:59:39 PM PDT by angry elephant
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To: RCW2001
Sick Palestinians are inventing new ways to die every day, and teaching their children the new tricks. This little girl is as much a victim of Arafat as are Israelis killed while shopping.


49 posted on 04/17/2002 1:03:49 PM PDT by spodefly
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To: gcruse;uncbob
So if I refuse to believe stories that are true I could care less

Go for it. We need more lunkheads.

Statistics studies the difficulty of deciding on the basis of incomplete information--"What do we know, and how surely do we know it?"

If your information is incomplete--and yours is, and mine is--then there is some chance that you will be wrong, whatever decision you make. That means you can decide that scrutinizing the 4th and subsequent ambulances for bombs is cruel or you can decide it is lifesaving--but you can be wrong either way.

If you understand that assassins are at work who recruit children to carry bombs into crowds and kill as many people as possible, and if you understand that the Palistinians define themselves as supporting that, then you conclude that they have arranged things so that the decisions of the Israelis will be based on reduced trust. The assassins consider any loss of Palistinian life due to that reduced trust to be at worst "collateral damage"--and perhaps even a propaganda victory.

This would be quite impossible to pull off if democracies were fully sane--but as it is, democracies are swayed by journalists who claim to be objective truthtellers--yet live to report bad news. This makes democracies prone to paranoid delusions.

Delusions such as the conceit that Rodney King was an innocent bystander set upon by cops intent on abusing him because of his color. And that the Israelis intend to conquer the middle east.


50 posted on 04/17/2002 2:05:11 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Uhm, if the story is true, and you know that and refuse to believe it, you, sir, are a lunkhead.
51 posted on 04/17/2002 2:15:35 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
if the story is true, and you know that
If wishes were horses then beggars would ride, sir. As it is, there is actually indication that AP has retracted the story.

But if the story had been true, I would believe it precisely because it fits the circumstances. I put it to you that if you were a doctor and people had been sending ambulance carbombs to hospitals, you would desire--nay, demand--the thorough screening of such vehicles before they put you and your coworkers in mortal peril.

So I would be ready to believe the story, it's plausible, assuming good faith on the part of all the immediate participants. The secuity personnel just following orders, the orders cut to protect the hospital--and the lives of any who might be in critical need of hospital care. But you seem to expect me to impute ill faith to the Israelis. You probably expected me to believe that the children never lie when they have been brainwashed by unscrupulous prosecutors, too.


52 posted on 04/17/2002 3:16:19 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: RCW2001
Gee, whata shame. Why don't the savage brutes build their own damn hospitals? Must be too busy biulding bombs to off Israeli civilians.
53 posted on 04/17/2002 4:24:54 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I'm typing as slow as I can for you.
You may demolish your straw arguments
ad infinitum.  The fact remains, I repeat::::

Uhm, if the story is true, and you know that
and refuse to believe it, you, sir, are a lunkhead.

BTW, what part of 'if' do you not understand?

54 posted on 04/17/2002 5:40:44 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: spqrzilla9
I was going to say almost exactly what you did. Instead of blaming this on the Jews, blame it on the real culprits, the terrorists who made this necessary!
55 posted on 04/17/2002 5:46:07 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: veronica; ALL
"However, in today’s story, entitled “Relatives of woman who gave birth at Israeli checkpoint say they were not held up by troops,” the AP admitted that the story was false. Israeli soldiers manning the checkpoint had allowed the taxi to pass, Dr. Hamdan lied when he claimed to have been there, and Israel was in no way responsible for the baby’s death.'"

God bless you for digging up and posting the TRUTH.

This article had my blood boiling for a few seconds..........until I ran across your #20. I thought that my fellow FReepers were being overly callous about this.............but they were right. The Palestinians have, yet again, proven to be liars.

Now..............let's talk about the AP's willingness to publish this c**p before checking out the story, shall we??????

56 posted on 04/17/2002 5:49:08 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: veronica
Thank you so much for posting the truth about the other baby killing Jews story!
Could I detest a group of people more? NO!
57 posted on 04/17/2002 5:50:46 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: HappyInfidel
Hear, hear! Don't these "poor" people have very wealthy Arab brothers who could fund hospitals, schools, infrastructure?
58 posted on 04/17/2002 5:51:28 PM PDT by frodolives
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To: RCW2001
The Israelis wouldn't need to stop people on their way to hospitals if the Palestinians weren't constantly trying to sneak in explosives using pregnant women or ambulances. If any Palestinians die as a result of Israeli checkpoints, the blame lies squarely with the Palestinian terrorists. Any suggestion to the contrary is madness. Israelis have a right to defend themselves from being murdered.

If the Palestinians put the blame for these deaths where it belongs, on the terrorists then both sides would be better off and peace would be possible. Somehow though the Arabs think its justified to punch Israel in the face repeatedly, then accuse Israel of wrongdoing when they finally put up their hands to block the brutal assault.

59 posted on 04/17/2002 6:00:49 PM PDT by Godel
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To: RCW2001
Palestinians: Reap the whirlwind.
60 posted on 04/17/2002 6:07:35 PM PDT by mrfixit514
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