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Better to Be Feared Than Loved, cont.
The Weekly Standard ^ | 04/29/2002 | Reuel Marc Gerecht

Posted on 04/19/2002 9:20:34 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Feenian
The latent racism, the assumption that the Arab is inferior and must be shown his place in the scheme of things

Nice try, but I caught you moving the pea between the shells.

Do I believe that Arabs are biologically inferior? Nope; that's racist clap-trap.

Do I believe that the prevailing culture of the Arab Middle East is inferior to the prevailing culture of the West? Damn straight.

81 posted on 04/22/2002 8:07:24 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Feenian
You know, the Arabs are a proud people. Their civilization once surpassed the West's.

Yes, but we have to deal with their culture as it exists now (degraded by causes you correctly identify).

Our role should be to usher them out of their feudal world into the 21st century, not by force as the neo-cons suggest, but by diplomacy and trade relations.

That would be preferable. Unfortunately, the people who rule most of the Arab world now are determined to prevent that, because their rice bowls would be broken if their people got some education and political sophistication. If they weren't attacking us directly, we could just wait them out until their control broke down; however, that is not the case.

82 posted on 04/22/2002 8:20:31 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: jlogajan
It's Machiavelli's argument here. (warning, translation is not the greatest)

However, one is to avoid being condemned or hated if possible...here

83 posted on 04/22/2002 8:31:52 AM PDT by Pistias
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Better to Be Feared Than Loved, cont.
The Weekly Standard | 04/29/2002 | Reuel Marc Gerecht

Posted on 4/19/02 9:20 PM Pacific by Pokey78

Especially in the Middle East.

Is he REALLY saying that? Does he know who he ECHOES????????

"Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don't ask for their love; only for their fear." - Heinrich Himmler

84 posted on 04/22/2002 8:49:31 AM PDT by luvzhottea
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To: Bold Fenian

Machiavelli Time Line

1469 May 3, born in Florence the son of a jurist.
1494 The Medici expelled from Florence. Machiavelli Appointed clerk to Adriani in the second chancery.
1498 Adriani becomes chancelor and Machiavelli succeeds him as second chancellor and secretary.
1499 Sent to Forli to negotiate the continuance of a loan to Catherine Sforza.
1500 Sent to France where he meets with Louis XII and the Cardinal of Rouen.
1502 Marries Marietta Corsini. Sent to Romagna as envoy to Cesare Borgia where he witnessed the events leading up to Borgia's murder. Machiavelli's political philosophy was highly influenced by his study of Cesare Borgia.
1503 January, returns to Florence.
1504 Second mission to France.
1506 December, submits a plan to reorganize the military to Pierre Soderini, Florence's gonfalonier, and it is accepted.
1508 Sent to Bolzano to the court of the Emporer Maximilian.
1510 Sent once more to France.
1512 The Medici returns with a Spanish army and Florence throws out Soderini and welcomes the Medici. Machiavelli dismissed from office and retires to San Casciano.
1513 Imprisoned after accused of participation in a conspiracy. Is tortured and then released upon Giovanni de Medici's election to the papacy. Returns to San Casciano and writes The Prince.
1515 Writes La Mandragola.
1519 Consulted by the Medici on a new constitution for Florence which he offers in his Discourses.
1520 Appearance of The Art of War and The Life of Castruccio Castracane. Commissioned to write the History of Florence.
1526 Clement VII employes Machiavelli first in inspecting the fortifications of Florence and then sending him to attend the historian Francesco Guicciardini. He meets Guicciardini in Bologna later in the year as well.
1527 June 20, dies in Florence.

Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527)

86 posted on 04/22/2002 9:16:00 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: luvzhottea
However, there can be no doubt that the material conditions for the existence of Jewry as an independent nation could be brought about only by the proletarian revolution. There is no such a thing on our planet as the idea that one has more claim to land than another.

The establishment of a territorial base for Jewry in Palestine or any other country is conceivable only with the migrations of large human masses. Only a triumphant Socialism can take upon itself such tasks. It can be foreseen that it may take place either on the basis of a mutual understanding, or with the aid of a kind of international proletarian tribunal which should take up this question and solve it.
Leon Trotsky
On the Jewish Problem (1934)


87 posted on 04/22/2002 9:18:13 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Feenian
ALRIC, is that you ??

fofl ...

88 posted on 04/22/2002 9:21:03 AM PDT by tomkat
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