Maybe they need a special flag with a chicken on it.Silly rabbit! They already have a flag.....
Be Seeing You,
Chris
Posted on 04/22/2002 2:26:12 AM PDT by kattracks
April 22, 2002 --THE Palestinian big lie against Israel keeps shifting as the truth emerges.
The first big lie was that the Israelis had perpetrated a massacre in Jenin, killing more than 500 people and then stashing them in mass graves. Then, as aid workers and journalists uncovered no evidence of mass graves, the lie was that the Israelis had secretly transported the dead bodies in refrigerated trucks.
Now it's that the Israelis have violated international law relating to war. Ac- cording to the BBC on Thursday, "International officials say some actions by [Israel's] troops, there and elsewhere, would appear to have breached the Fourth Geneva Convention relating to the protection of civilians in war or under occupation."
Why? Well, "the convention forbids violence being used against civilians, as well as inhumane or degrading treatment . . . It is claimed that civilians died in Jenin when their houses were demolished. The convention prohibits the destruction of property except where military operations make it absolutely necessary."
Lies. Lies lies lies. Damnable, outrageous, unseemly lies.
The simple truth is this: International law relating to the conduct of the incursion exculpates the Israelis and convicts the Palestinian Authority. Period.
The Israelis went into Jenin and made a systematic search for bomb laboratories and terror cells that had been hidden among civilians. The purpose was to destroy the laboratories and take prisoner or kill those who had been building the suicide bombs and directing the suicide attacks.
The Palestinian intifada describes itself as an armed struggle, an uprising. The word that describes the leaders and planners of such an armed struggle, in legal parlance, is "combatants."
And international law could not be any more plain. On June 8, 1977, the Fourth Geneva Convention was updated. The document is called "Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts."
Article 37 outlaws the use of civilian populations as a shield for military actions. It explicitly prohibits "the feigning of civilian, noncombatant status; and the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict."
What the leaders of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Hamas and Islamic Jihad do is hide among civilian populations to make it as difficult as possible for their enemies to attack them. The Geneva Convention denounces this as "perfidy."
Peter Bouckaert, a researcher at Human Rights Watch in New York who sneaked into Jenin on Thursday, told the Washington Post, "It's been incredibly difficult to tell the difference between fighters and civilians. If a combatant uses the civilian population as a shield in this way, the deaths incurred are the moral and legal responsibility of those who are hidings out in this grotesquely cowardly fashion.
Previously, Palestinians and their apologists had claimed the Israelis were violating the Fourth Geneva Convention by refusing to allow ambulances operated by the Red Crescent Society to move freely between Israeli hospitals and the West Bank towns in which the incursions were taking place.
Article 38 specifically addresses the ambulance issue: "It is prohibited to make improper use of the distinctive emblem of the red cross, red crescent or red lion and sun." And yet this is precisely what the Palestinians have done. The Israelis have stopped and searched ambulances emblazoned with the Red Crescent and found suicide belts hidden in them. One of these incidents, on March 27, was captured on videotape.
By using this internationally accepted symbol as a diversionary tactic - in essence turning ambulances into tanks - the Palestinians thus bear the moral and legal responsibility under international law for the Israeli refusal to allow the free conduct of Red Crescent vehicles.
The violators of international law - the criminals in this war - are the Palestinians who devised these shameful tactics.
E-mail: podhoretz@nypost.com
They pee their pants and surrender to news reporters in Iraq, and they hide behind the innocent people including women and children in Palestinian villages. You just can't picture "Lawrence of Arabia" when you watch the antics of these fools. To top it off, everything they do just makes things worse for them.
They have to be some sort of ultra-cowards to the point where a new word is needed to describe their level.
Maybe they need a special flag with a chicken on it.
Maybe they need a special flag with a chicken on it.Silly rabbit! They already have a flag.....
Be Seeing You,
Chris
Something tells me Mr Bouckaert of HRW will be asked to clean out his desk this morning, and "go do research for the John Birch Society"
And international law could not be any more plain. On June 8, 1977, the Fourth Geneva Convention was updated. The document is called "Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts."Thanks, Kat!....Article 37 outlaws the use of civilian populations as a shield for military actions. It explicitly prohibits "the feigning of civilian, noncombatant status; and the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict."
What the leaders of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Hamas and Islamic Jihad do is hide among civilian populations to make it as difficult as possible for their enemies to attack them. The Geneva Convention denounces this as "perfidy."
Peter Bouckaert, a researcher at Human Rights Watch in New York who sneaked into Jenin on Thursday, told the Washington Post, "It's been incredibly difficult to tell the difference between fighters and civilians. If a combatant uses the civilian population as a shield in this way, the deaths incurred are the moral and legal responsibility of those who are hidings out in this grotesquely cowardly fashion.
Gee, I could say that the Palestinian suicide HOMICIDE bombers aren't people but are more like wild animals,
but that would be a high insult to animals everywhere...........
Just as revealing was the reaction from the European media. In the American press, you read things like: "An observer to the bomb-blast scene described a dead young girl, perhaps 10 or 12, lying on the ground with her eyes open, looking as if she was surprised." For Europe, on the other hand, the main significance of this development was that it was "unhelpful" to the "peace process". Before I'm accused of being more upset about dead Jewish than dead Muslim kids, let me say that I take people at their own estimation: in the Palestinian Authority schools, they teach their children about the glories of martyrdom; indeed, the careers guidance counsellor appears to have little information on alternative employment prospects; at social events, the moppets are dressed up as junior jihadi, with toy detonators and play bombs. It's not that I place less value on Palestinian lives, but that Chairman Arafat and his chums in Hamas do. So does Saddam Hussein, whose government (the subject of an admiring article in this week's Spectator) gives $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber. So does the Arab League, which at last year's summit passed a resolution hailing the "spirit of sacrifice" of the Palestinian "martyrs" and thus licensed Wednesday's massacre. As for the "peace process", those Europeans who, just a few months ago, were urging the Americans to cease operations for Ramadan evidently feel no compunction to demand from Chairman Arafat and his dark subsidiaries any similar "bombing pause" for Passover.
In the days after September 11, we were told that Muslims had great respect for their fellow "people of the book" - ie, Jews and Christians. This ought to be so: after all, the dramatis personae of the Koran include Abraham, Moses, David, John the Baptist, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. It's one thing to believe that the Israelis are occupiers and oppressors and that the Zionist state should not exist. But no Muslim with any understanding of his shared heritage could in good conscience blow up a Passover Seder. It marks a new low in the Palestinians' descent into nihilism - though, as usual, the silence of the imams is deafening. As for the nonchalance of the Europeans, that too should not surprise us: in my experience, the Continent's Christians, practising and nominal, find the ceremonies of Jewish life faintly creepy, notwithstanding that these were also the rituals by which their own Saviour lived.
But this year, when the Christians' solar calendar and the Jews' lunar calendar have coincided and Easter and Passover fall together, it's a safe bet that George W Bush will make the connection. The first time I ever heard him speak, he spoke openly about his faith and about Christ in a way that would be unimaginable for a British politician. He will know all the details - "the baby tried to crawl away, but it died, too".......................
Before I'm accused of being more upset about dead Jewish than dead Muslim kids, let me say that I take people at their own estimation: in the Palestinian Authority schools, they teach their children about the glories of martyrdom; indeed, the careers guidance counsellor appears to have little information on alternative employment prospects; at social events, the moppets are dressed up as junior jihadi, with toy detonators and play bombs.
Pot, Kettle, Black.
The first big lie was that the Israelis had perpetrated a massacre in Jenin, killing more than 500 people and then stashing them in mass graves. Then, as aid workers and journalists uncovered no evidence of mass graves, the lie was that the Israelis had secretly transported the dead bodies in refrigerated trucks.
Podhoretz is unseemly in his haste to shut the book on this. The Palestinian dead and missing are only now being tallied. They still have to do a lot of searching and digging. It will be very suspicious if, at the end of that process, there are still many missing and unaccounted for Palestinians.
... "the convention forbids violence being used against civilians, as well as inhumane or degrading treatment . . . It is claimed that civilians died in Jenin when their houses were demolished. The convention prohibits the destruction of property except where military operations make it absolutely necessary."
Lies. Lies lies lies. Damnable, outrageous, unseemly lies.
Shrieking denials are not a good substitute for an independent investigation.
The simple truth is this: International law relating to the conduct of the incursion exculpates the Israelis and convicts the Palestinian Authority. Period.
Bald assertions of Israeli innocence and Palestinian guilt are worthless. There should be an independent investigation.
The Israelis went into Jenin and made a systematic search for bomb laboratories and terror cells that had been hidden among civilians. The purpose was to destroy the laboratories and take prisoner or kill those who had been building the suicide bombs and directing the suicide attacks.
This supposed goal doesn't justify massive Israeli crimes against Palestinians. Israelis who commit crimes against Palestinians should be brought to justice.
Article 37 outlaws the use of civilian populations as a shield for military actions.
Israelis who forced Palestinians to serve as human shields should be punished, along with their commanders.
It explicitly prohibits "the feigning of civilian, noncombatant status; and the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict."
Allegations of Palestinian wrongdoing cannot in any way exculpate Israelis or free them from the obligation to obey international law.
Article 38 specifically addresses the ambulance issue: "It is prohibited to make improper use of the distinctive emblem of the red cross, red crescent or red lion and sun." And yet this is precisely what the Palestinians have done. The Israelis have stopped and searched ambulances emblazoned with the Red Crescent and found suicide belts hidden in them. One of these incidents, on March 27, was captured on videotape.
Two wrongs don't make a right. A rare incident like this provides no justification for widespread Israeli violence against ambulances and medical personnel. Israelis are not released from any of their moral and legal obligations.
Two wrongs don't make a right. A rare incident like this provides no justification for widespread Israeli violence against ambulances and medical personnel. Israelis are not released from any of their moral and legal obligations.
Absolute balderdash. If I'm an Israeli officer, I'm not letting a Red Crescent ambulance through my checkpoint unless I've vetted it first. Period. I know that the Pallies are using ambulances to smuggle fighters, homicide bombers, and weapons. I have no obligation to the Red Crescent to allow free passage if I know that that Palestinian outfit has abused the privilege that it enjoys. Especially if I suspect that said ambulances will be used to smuggle weapons to terrorists with who my men are engaged in combat.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
It's one thing to check the ambulance, it's quite another to attack it and the medical personnel in it.
I know that the Pallies are using ambulances to smuggle fighters, homicide bombers, and weapons.
That's an unsubstantiated accusation which Israelis like to make to excuse their own gross terrorist violence against Palestinian ambulances and medical workers.
I have no obligation to the Red Crescent to allow free passage if I know that that Palestinian outfit has abused the privilege that it enjoys. Especially if I suspect that said ambulances will be used to smuggle weapons to terrorists with who my men are engaged in combat.
The Israelis who man those apartheid ghetto checkpoints aren't entitled to make blanket judgments about Palestinians.
The Israelis who man those apartheid ghetto checkpoints aren't entitled to make blanket judgments about Palestinians.Sorry, pal. Just because you say that the Palestinians didn't do such a thing, when the Israelis caught them red handed doing it, doesn't give the Palestinian Red Crescent lisensce to smuggle arms and terrorists from place to place. The PRC is an arm of Fatah, and they have done this for some time.
The Israelis have a right to defend their civilian population. If stopping ambulances contributes to that mission, then so be it.
Were you more outraged than you appear to be about the systematic murder of Israeli civilians, I might give your argument some credence. Since you aren't, I don't.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
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