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palestinian (terrorist) Fighter even admits - NO MASSACRE IN JENIN - My Title
CNN ^ | April 22, 2002 | CNN

Posted on 04/24/2002 7:07:22 AM PDT by Brytani

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Mardawi spoke enthusiastically about Israel's decision to send in infantry: "It was like hunting ... like being given a prize."

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- A senior member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad who surrendered to Israeli forces in Jenin described the battle as "a very hard fight" in which both sides took on casualties, but he said he didn't see "tens of people" killed by the Israeli army.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; jenin; massacre; palestinian
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To: tomahawk
Ha'aretz: "Defense Minister Ben-Eliezer: Trend of UN probe is how to entrap Israel so it could be put on trial"
61 posted on 04/24/2002 11:30:49 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: tomahawk
Today the U.N. wants to put Israel on trial for minimal civilian casualties (intentionally brought about by terrorists) in an anti-terrorist operation to protect its own civilians. Tomorrow, will the U.N. put the U.S. on trial for bombing Afghan civilians, or Iraqi civilians, etc.?
62 posted on 04/24/2002 11:39:45 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Brytani
Your title is inappropriate for the article.
63 posted on 04/24/2002 12:11:17 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Brytani
Asked about the allegations of a massacre, Mardawi said, "By my own standard, what happened there was a massacre. But if you are asking, 'Did I see tens of people killed?' Frankly, no. In my group, we were in an area with no other people. Three fighters with me were killed. Later when we started to move from place to place, we saw destroyed houses and could smell bodies."

64 posted on 04/24/2002 12:14:13 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: dennisw
Thanks Dennis.
65 posted on 04/24/2002 12:36:17 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Brytani
Also, Please note in the article-

"Palestinian Islamic Jihad is a militant group dedicated to the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state .,and the destruction of Israel

66 posted on 04/24/2002 1:24:23 PM PDT by Kay Soze
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To: Lazamataz
The soldier in question had only a few block region of destruction to view, therefore, since he admits he was in the the thick of it -- and since he freely admits he did not see even tens of bodies -- I suspect the bodies he smelled were of combatants.

Your conclusion doesn't follow. The bodies could just as easily have been non-combatants killed by Israeli fire or buried in the rubble of buildings destroyed by Israeli missiles and bulldozers. When UN special envoy Terje Roed-Larsen went to Jenin he described some of what he saw:

"The stench of decaying corpses are all over the place."

"I saw personally about a 12-year-old boy being dug out, his body totally destroyed."

"I saw two brothers digging under the rubble for their father and their brothers."

"There are people all over the place digging with their hands looking for their relatives and dear ones."

Unless you and your ilk can produce hard evidence of this so-called 'massacre', all you are engaging in is a smear campaign.

The tally of dead, missing, and captive Palestinians in Jenin (and elsewhere) is still being compiled. The search for dead and injured continues. Hopefully, Israel will stop hindering aid workers and medical teams and extend full and immediate cooperation to investigators and the UN fact-finding mission. Let the chips fall where they may.

67 posted on 04/24/2002 1:31:32 PM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: ThreeOfSeven
You could come up with the same anecdotal 'evidence' from any and I repeat ANY war EVER.

*THIS* is your evidence of a 'massacre'????

Scientifically trained, you are not. That much is evident.

68 posted on 04/24/2002 1:37:26 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: ThreeOfSeven
The tally of dead, missing, and captive Palestinians in Jenin (and elsewhere) is still being compiled. The search for dead and injured continues. Hopefully, Israel will stop hindering aid workers and medical teams and extend full and immediate cooperation to investigators and the UN fact-finding mission. Let the chips fall where they may.

Very fine. You hold up your list of armed combatants (as such are defined in the 3rd Geneva Convention of 1947) during a lawful war, and then let us hold that list up against the list of known dead and wounded civilians killed in terrorist attacks in Israel.

69 posted on 04/24/2002 1:40:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
I didn't claim that Roed-Larsen's observations alone are sufficient evidence of a massacre. There should be a full investigation to determine the facts and uncover any evidence of crimes, including massacres. How scientific is your unseemly haste to exonerate Israel in advance of a thorough investigation?
70 posted on 04/24/2002 1:55:10 PM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: ThreeOfSeven
The body of a 12 year old totally destroyed? Maybe he was following in the footsteps of his 10 year old "brother" and destroyed his own body. Seems to me that if you can get a 10 year old to blow themselves up...you can get a 12 year old to fire a gun...so that proves nothing. Did the "envoy" also tour the areas where Israeli children's bodies were destroyed?

In a war...it doesn't matter how old the person firing the weapon at you is...you kill them. Only here does it seem to matter. I will have a little more respect for your beloved "UN inspectors" when they become equally outraged at the thousands of christians who have been killed (read: massacred) in the sudan and somalia. Amazing how this doesn't get them fired up but a gun battle in which collateral damage was the result (because the gunmen were hiding behind the skirts of women and the toys of children) does!

When you start firing rpg's and machine guns from a house...you then invite destruction of said house. When you fire from behind women and children...and then those women and children die...it is YOUR fault...not the other guy.

Again...I will give ear to what these bozos say when they show me they can be unbiased. That means going into the sudan and helping the thousands or tens of thousands (and I am being conservative in the estimate) who have been slaughtered because of their religion. And here you sit screaming about a few hundred (and not even that....) who died in a combat zone because their "men" were using them as human shields...which BTW seems to happen a lot in the arab world. "Milk Factories" and "hospitals" abound.

Cowards.

71 posted on 04/24/2002 2:28:55 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
Bump - well said.
72 posted on 04/24/2002 2:52:17 PM PDT by SKempis
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To: ThreeOfSeven
I didn't claim that Roed-Larsen's observations alone are sufficient evidence of a massacre. There should be a full investigation to determine the facts and uncover any evidence of crimes, including massacres. How scientific is your unseemly haste to exonerate Israel in advance of a thorough investigation?

It is the same 'unseemly haste' I exhibited when Cynthia McKinney suggested we investigate George W. Bush since there was no evidence that he knew about 9/11 -- and profited from it -- in advance. But, she added, if we investigated, we might find evidence that he had foreknowledge.

Same motivation. Scurrilous charges should have something more solid than a few arm-flailing political opponents hyperventilating.

But hey, if an impartial team went in, I wouldn't have as much problem with it. But even YOU must admit the UN is *not* impartial. Not about Israel.

73 posted on 04/24/2002 2:59:51 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Brytani
Good post. The Palestinians lie just like their leader--Arafat. I still find it difficult to believe we gave the terrorist, who promoted the twin tower incident, any credence.
74 posted on 04/24/2002 3:06:09 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: Brytani
Ooops, sounds like Tabaat Mardawi got his English and Arabic scripts mixed-up.

In Arabic he was supposed to say it was a fierce fight, we ambushed the Jews again and again, forcing them to fall back on tanks and bulldozers.

In English he is supposed to be a weak victim, overrun and brutalized by jack-booted jew-nazis.

75 posted on 04/24/2002 3:59:21 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: tomahawk
Their pathological hatred will yet be the end of them. Like Pharoah, their condemnation will come from their own words and deeds. "The Guardian of Isrtael neither slumbers nor sleeps.."
76 posted on 04/24/2002 4:08:35 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Brytani
But the Arab News media is showing news alerts of the massacre, including mass graves and IDF soldiers burning little old ladies out of their houses. The Arab press would never lie. /sarcasm
77 posted on 04/24/2002 7:40:08 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Lazamataz
But hey, if an impartial team went in, I wouldn't have as much problem with it. But even YOU must admit the UN is *not* impartial. Not about Israel.

The UN fact-finding mission was approved unanimously by the Security Council, including the U.S. I read today that Israel has dropped its objections to the composition of the team.

78 posted on 04/25/2002 6:38:02 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: NELSON111
The body of a 12 year old totally destroyed? Maybe he was following in the footsteps of his 10 year old "brother" and destroyed his own body. Seems to me that if you can get a 10 year old to blow themselves up...you can get a 12 year old to fire a gun...so that proves nothing.

Armchair ruminations are no substitute for a full on-site investigation to reveal the facts. Let the chips fall where they may.

79 posted on 04/25/2002 6:54:07 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: Brytani
He estimated 1,000 to 2,000 bombs and booby traps were spread through the camp.

That's interesting. How can we know for sure that some of the Palestinian civilians didn't die because of accidentally setting off one of them.

Is CNN putting this at the top of every half-hour broadcast on TV and Radio, or is the story buried on its website!

80 posted on 04/25/2002 6:57:44 AM PDT by SuziQ
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