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Mark Steyn: The Eurosnots learn nothing
National Post (Canada) ^ | 04/26/2002 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/26/2002 5:31:50 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: Badray
Pat is a nationalist. Le Pen is a nationalist. Pat thinks "America First!" Le Pen thinks "France First!" Le Pen is anti-American. Pat is anti-French. Of course, nationalism is a much better deal when it's your own country you're talking about...
101 posted on 04/26/2002 2:30:05 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Pokey78
Thank you for a most wonderful post.

Mark Steyn has given us another "keeper".

102 posted on 04/26/2002 4:54:33 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: stands2reason
Pat is anti-French?

Really?

I'll have to remember that next time I'm inclined to flame him. If he's anti-French he can't be all bad.

103 posted on 04/26/2002 5:19:10 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: LibertarianLiz;jla
Okay, so now I have: Tee-Shock, Tee-Shuck and T-Shock. I love Gaelic, the Celts inside joke on the rest of us.

'Tis not a joke. It's dialect.
I'm from Wexford in the south east...a land of Republicans (but not in the American sense *L*), but we mainly speak Munster Irish.
Then you have Galway people. They speak the Connemara dialect.
And THEN you have Donegal, the most difficult dialect of them all to pick up when already speak Gaelic. (Closest thing I've ever come across to Scots Gaelic).
Hence the difference.
But ask the people who speak the language which flag they adore, and all three will say...'Green, white and gold'.
Nach bhfuil sé sin go hÁllainn?

104 posted on 04/26/2002 7:18:29 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: Badray
You may think I can't but I think differently. Since Pat's America doesn't square with history, but rather with everything he claims leads us down the "road to ruin" I have to conclude that he's anti-"the real" America.
105 posted on 04/27/2002 12:52:36 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Pokey78
Thank you, than you, thank you!!!Once again, this extraordinary piece makes one wonder, doesn't it, how the famous doofuses who comprise the "Pulitzer Prize Committee" arrive at their notoriously inane decisions: HELLO? THOM FRIEDMAN? Too funny.
106 posted on 04/27/2002 1:49:13 PM PDT by leilani
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To: badfreeper
Maybe I wasn't clear: I'm Jewish.

My point is that the Arabs aren't just making life miserable for the Jews, but for ALL the french.

107 posted on 04/27/2002 2:42:08 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: gcruse; Mercuria; HangFire
Absolutely, unbelievably, fantastically brilliant. I was going to highlight the best lines but realized it would've been the whole column.
 
'Cept for you, gcruse... highlight this! ;^)

108 posted on 04/27/2002 4:02:32 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: Pokey78
The United Arab Nation of France really is a snot. I suppose France thought Clinton/Gore was a prize. Barf!!!
109 posted on 04/27/2002 5:38:41 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Pokey78
Another BUMP for the Master!

I enjoyed reading this as much the third time as I did the first and second. I just never get tired of reading this guy.

110 posted on 04/27/2002 6:09:36 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Illbay
"Since Pat's America doesn't square with history, but rather with everything he claims leads us down the "road to ruin" I have to conclude that he's anti-"the real" America."

So protecting our borders and following the Constitution is ruining America? I guess we've read different history books.

111 posted on 04/27/2002 8:07:24 PM PDT by Badray
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To: AnnaZ
Absolutely, unbelievably, fantastically brilliant. I was going to
highlight the best lines but realized it would've been the whole column.

A unique combination of P J O'Rourke and H L Mencken, in which
the sum is greater than its parts.  I also don't know another person
or subject on FR that is uniformly lionized.  We have such good taste.

We've got to stop meeting like this.  After next time.  #8^)
 

112 posted on 04/27/2002 8:49:31 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Badray
So protecting our borders and following the Constitution is ruining America? I guess we've read different history books.

Perhaps we have. Have you read the ones where, in nearly every generation, immigration has been seen as a threat to the stability of the nation? In our history, reaching back even before the founding of the Republic, there have always been alarmists who claim that "real Americans don't let non-Americans become Americans."

Back in the 1740s, for example, Ben Franklin warned us all about the influx of Germans who were coming into the nation, claiming they would ruin it all for good, upstanding, God-fearing Englishmen.

In the 1850s, Pat Buchanan's forebears, Irish fleeing the potato famine, were the new menace. Then it was the Polish, the Italians, Russian Jews, Eastern Europeans, etc.

In each instance the "menace" was soon assimilated, usually by the second generation, and then a new menace arose.

That's why I say Buchanan is "anti-American" because he like you completely ignores or denies the fact that steady immigration has always been the American way, that despite repeated warnings over the last three hundred years of the downfall of society as the result of each new "invasion" nothing of the sort ever happened, and that the more insular societies like Japan or China are the ones that tend to stagnate.

So yes, Buchanan is "anti-American" by the REAL definition of "American." You are not permitted to adjust reality to suit your prejudices.

113 posted on 04/28/2002 7:20:28 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
There will always be those who oppose all immigration to America. I am not one of those. Nor, do I believe, is Pat. From what I get from him, he is for limiting immigration until we get the mess we are in straightened out - like fixing the INS. If the intent of the immigrant is to become an American and be part of this country, no problem. If the intent is to destroy this country or build a 'little (fill in the name of the country), then they (whoever 'they' are) should stay where they are.

Have you seen the INS stats on deportations of people of Middle Eastern descent and the number of NEW visas issued?

Are you aware of the illegals flowing into the USA from our southern borders? Do you not consider this a problem given our current situation?

114 posted on 04/29/2002 5:22:14 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Illbay
...M. Le Pen is an economic protectionist in favour of the minimum wage, lavish subsidies for France's incompetent industries and inefficient agriculture....

...the above describes Pat Buchanan in every particular...

Or, President Bush :

The Member for the southern New South Wales federal seat of Riverina, Kay Hull, says the proposed subsidies in the United States Farm Bill are almost obscene. A US congressional committee has reached agreement on the 10 year bill, increasing subsidies by 70 per cent to the country's corn, cotton, rice and wheat growers. Federal Agriculture Minister Warren Truss is considering taking the case to the World Trade Organisation.

115 posted on 04/29/2002 5:48:29 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: annaZ
Thanks again. I can't believe I missed this gem!
116 posted on 04/29/2002 2:46:14 PM PDT by dead
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To: Illbay
In the 1850s, Pat Buchanan's forebears, Irish fleeing the potato famine, were the new menace.

Untrue. Next time try to get your facts straight.

117 posted on 04/29/2002 2:57:50 PM PDT by sarcasm
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