It s The Jews, Stupid

Arutz Sheva ^ | 26 April 2002 | Allison Nazarian

[sneakypete]

No, friend, the hate is almost exclusively concentrated on the terrorist side.

Right. And Rosie O'Donnell really IS talented,and Bob Dillion really does have a excellent singing voice.

If the Israelis had hate, they would have demolished the "refugee" camps from the air.

They did shoot rockets into the refugee camps from the air.

Or sent nuclear weapons into the capitals of some aggressive, hate-filled Arab neighbors.

Right. And I suppose the fact that Israel would have immediately been whiped off the face of the Earth had nothing to do with them not using nukes? Make no mistake about it,if Israel were to use their nukes in a first-strike method,they would lose ALL their support. Not even the poweful Jewish lobby in the US could help them.

Or sent bomb-wielding children into Arab pizza parlors, markets, and formal dinners.

There is no reason for the Israeli's to do this. Unlike some people who will remain nameless (not to mention nationless),Israel has a professional army and air force to do their explosives work for them.

Contrary to hate,

Kain't ya just FEEEELLLL the love,brothers and sisters?

they have turned down an opportunity to kill many, many terrorists holed up in a church (a church that, I believe, means little or nothing to the Jewish people),

The church itself may not mean much to the Israeli's,but you can bet your bippy that the continued good will of the fundie Christians in the US means a great deal to them. This group is a bigger supporter of Israel than most of the Jews in this country.

because of their compassion for the innocents in the church and because of what the church means to so many Christians.

"Compassion" my ass. They were afraid of alienating fundie Christians.Otherwise they would have rolled a tank right through it.

[sneakypete]

There is no moral equivalence between the two sides.

Of course. Doesn't the official version of that equation read:

"Jews=ALWAYS right and good
Non-Jews=AWAYS wrong and evil."?

[sneakypete]

Option four: Conquer them, baptize them, feed them bacon.

The Jews,too?

[ozdragon]

Remember Islam was founded by Mohammad. Mohammad was a warrior and conquered the Arabian peninsula slaughtering all who would not convert to Islam. The city of Medina was a peaceful city with a jewish majority. When the Jewish citizens refused to convert to Islam they were slaughtered. Judeism and Christianity both were founded on peace "love thy neighbor" When asked to summerize the Talmud while standing on one foot Hillel (great Jewish scholar) said " what is hateful to you, do not do to others". Sounds like the golden rule as Christians say "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" There is no Islamic equilavent.

[sakic]

When one side has dozens of instances of attacking and killing Americans, one would think that they are obviously an enemy of ours, as well as of Israel. Most people understand this.

Or there could be an agenda underneath the feigned inability to see the obvious.

[apochromat]

I say we should do our own dirty work, in Alaska.

[sneakypete]

When one side has dozens of instances of attacking and killing Americans, one would think that they are obviously an enemy of ours, as well as of Israel. Most people understand this.

"Most people understand this.",what? It's obvious even you don't understand what you wrote. You are implying that since the Islamic fundies are clearly our enemies,this means the Israeli's are clearly our friends. The Arabs ain't our friends,and neither are the Israeli's.

Or there could be an agenda underneath the feigned inability to see the obvious.

I think so too,and it seems to me your agenda is as I have stated earlier,"Israeli/Jews=ALWAYS good and right,non-Jews/Israeli's=ALWAYS evil and wrong.

[sakic]

You've posited a theory of me from thin air. It's absurd too.

We're talking about what's going on in the world today. The Palestinians and a good deal of the Muslim world wants to kill Americans. They've been doing this and telling us they want to do this. Israel as a country is not doing this and their people never voice such opinions, yet to you they are both our enemies.

Please demonstrate what you assert with facts, else you have no argument.

[sneakypete]

The Palestinians and a good deal of the Muslim world wants to kill Americans. They've been doing this and telling us they want to do this. Israel as a country is not doing this and their people never voice such opinions, yet to you they are both our enemies.

Please point out where I have EVER said the Israeli's were our enemies. I have only stated the nation of Israel is NOT our friend. This does not automatically equate them with a actual enemy. This is not a "either/or" world we live in.

[sakic]

Trying to split hairs?

Israel sat still for Iraq's bombing of their citizens because the U.S. asked them to under Pappa Bush.

I guess if someone took a bullet to help your family they wouldn't be a friend either.

[sneakypete]

I guess if someone took a bullet to help your family they wouldn't be a friend either.

HorseHillary! The only ones Israel was doing a favor then was Israel. They had us and a bunch of other nations going after Iraq FOR them,so why would they bother? Looks like they and the "Israel-first" lobby in the US is trying to get the US to attack Iraq for them again.

BTW,WHO was Israel "taking a bullet for" during the USS Liberty incident? Seems to me Israel has OFFICIALLY taken more US lives than the PLO has. And "No,this does NOT mean the PLO are our pals,either.

[sakic]

Israel did not respond to Iraq's attack solely because of pressure from the U.S. The fact that you think otherwise is merely a hint at the way you think. Folks with an axe to grind against Israel always mention the "Liberty Incident". The reason you folks do that is because it's the only thing you guys hang your hats on.

This lays in stark contrast to the thousands of Americans that have been killed by the other side.

You might be the only person left on the planet that doesn't understand that Al Qaeda and the PLO (Hamas, etc.) are all part of the same organization. All of them are dedicated to your death. It's not like they hide it from you. They explicitly say it.

Here's a link for you

Let me know if you can find any similar viewpoints about America that emanate from Israel.

[MEGoody]

Yes, there are 'innocents' being killed on both sides. The difference is, the terrorists specifically target innocents, while the Israelis target the terrorists and members of the 'Palestinian authority.' Frankly, if the cowardly terrorists would stop shielding themselves with civilians, there would have been far fewer civilian casualties on the Palestinian side. It's funny, they think they will be martyred for homicide bombings, but they are too terrified to actually come out from among the civilains and fight like men.

[MEGoody]

Palestinians refugees in Jordan and other surrounding countries remain 'stateless' by choice. If they want a 'state', let their Arab brothers give them land. They have far more of it than Israel.

[Semper]

Your understanding/interpretation of Islam is not the same as many muslims. Many do see the golden rule in their teachings; they see only one God and all mankind as created by that God. They do allow for other religions however. The Koran states: "Let there be no compulsion in religion" and "Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion".

The Koran also specifically states that the taking of innocent life is always wrong and the taking of your own life is always wrong. Because some "followers" of Islam do not conform to the actual teaching of their religion does not change the value of that religion. (See the Catholic priests and their young boys.) Many here on FR are seeing this problem with a great personal bias. Have you read anything lately about the Islam religion written from an unbiased perspective? Try reading the book, "The Religions of Man" by Huston Smith when he was Professor of Philosophy at MIT.

[Semper]

they are too terrified to actually come out from among the civilains and fight like men.

That may be, but it also may be that after trying that and getting decimated, they realized it would only get them killed because they were hopelessly less equipped to fight a conventional war. The only victory against a U.S. supported military campaign was Vietnam where similiar tactics were employed. It is understandable that those tactics are being used again where there seems to be no alternative.

[sneakypete]

Folks with an axe to grind against Israel always mention the "Liberty Incident".

"Axe to grind"? I guess this is supposed to mean the murders of those US sailors is supposed to be overlooked and excused,or whoever mentions it ends up being called "anti-Semitic" or accused of "having a axe to grind".

The reason you folks do that is because it's the only thing you guys hang your hats on.

Oh,well. What the hell. It was only a Naval ship flying the US flag in international waters in broad daylight,so why not go ahead and ignore such a little thing. Never mind that it was a OFFICIAL state act of terrorism with a US Navy vessell and US sailors as targets. This lays in stark contrast to the thousands of Americans that have been killed by the other side.

Is it somehow possible you really ARE delusional enough to think the Palestinians ordered the Saudi's to fly into the WTC towers? I don't remember any Palestinian terror attacks against the US,do you?

[sneakypete]

Palestinians refugees in Jordan and other surrounding countries remain 'stateless' by choice.

I'm not so sure that's true. I think it is a combination of VERY bad "leadership" that NEEDS to keep the pot stirred to stay in power,and the fact that the Jordanians don't want them any more than the Israeli's do.

>If they want a 'state', let their Arab brothers give them land. They have far more of it than Israel.

Doesn't matter. Ain't gonna happen.

[sakic]

You really don't understand that they all play for the same team despite their different names? Do you think Hezbollah and Hamas are not populated to some degree by Palestinians? This is public knowledge that no one denies.

Did you even see them dancing in the streets when the WTC fell? You don't read what they themselves say in their newspapers?