Posted on 05/01/2002 3:33:06 PM PDT by RGSpincich
Resistance is futile--"go peacefully"!
And there is going to be a trial. Can't we just skip it and get with the lynching ?
Did you look to see what percentile the children were in based on the weights given? Perhaps you posted it and I missed it.
However, this entire article is based on a motion by the defense to supress evidence:
The testimony came during a hearing on a defense motion to suppress evidence gathered when police first contacted the Christines in their bus on July 31, 2000, while it was parked at the library in Grants Pass in the course of their travels around the country.
Since you are so versed in the trial events, could you please point us to the article or court document that supports your claim? I'd appreciate it.
Maybe you didn't bother to actually read the article that is the subject of this post. Sooner or later, all here on FR seem to be guilty of the same thing. Read the headline, then scan a few interesting bits of the article. Then go argue with everyone else as if you are an expert on the details of the subject. I have done the same.
That said, now I will provide you with the reason I said what I did. Then perhaps you might want to actually read the whole article.
The Christines, both 29, are on trial in Douglas County Circuit Court on charges of kidnapping, robbery, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and custodial interference.
The parties guilty of kidnapping the kids and actually asking for a ransom was the state of Oregon. The head of SCF has been booted since this case began because her son is a drug dealer who was getting extremely lenient treatment by police.
The first indictment was thrown out (along with several other cases) due to gross misbehavior on the part of the District Attorney in the Grand Jury proceedings. The initial taking of the children was bogus. The Christine's were not allowed to see their children for more than 8 months although it was said that the children were in "perfect health" in a mere two weeks in spite of the propaganda spread about which asserted they were all near death from malnutrition.
After two or three visits SCF recommended that visits stop because the children were being traumatized. Of course this was true. The children wanted to go home with their parents.
Finally SCF said that they were going to terminate the parental rights of the Christines based on a statutory limit which demands that the State put the kids up for adoption if the case isn't resolved within a year.
The problem was that the State hadn't obtained a conviction for any alleged wrongdoing. They hadn't even put on a trial.
But you go ahead and pretend you know everything about this case by reading a single article. It's fun to watch.
I do know what I read, and that is what my response was based on. Based on what is printed in the article, prove what I said was wrong.
Brian Christine took the girls at gunpoint from a state social worker, met up with his wife and a friend, and escaped to Montana, where they were found within days.
The Christines, both 29, are on trial in Douglas County Circuit Court on charges of kidnapping, robbery, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and custodial interference.
If the above statements are wrong, maybe you should write or email the AP staff and tell them you are the expert on this case, and they are idiots.
If you are simply mad because of my remark about lynching, that was SARCASM. I was referring to the fact that too many people want to jump the gun and have somebody electrocuted, hung, shot, etc. before they even have a trial and can decide whether the person is innocent or guilty.
I appreciate you providing the extra information, for myself and others, that the news media did not provide. It still does not negate the fact that they kidnapped the children at gunpoint and are being charged with it.
Now the court can decide if they or CPS was right. (need some real luck on beating CPS). If they were taking care of their children properly before CPS took them.
But, what has occurred since, that seemed to be the basis of the posting of this article, DAD HIT DAUGHTER IN HEAD, does not make it look good for their case.
So, whether you choose to defend the Christines or not, it would seem they have a large mountain to climb in their battle for their children.
No red meat; the meat and milk she does consume are hormone-free. A family near us is strictly vegetarian; their children weighed more than 25 pounds at age 5.
Demidog, I am assuming that you feel that the reported weights of the Christine girls is of no cause for concern. The weights again were 14,21 and 25 pounds. When did you change your mind?
One, I don't believe the weights. Two, low weight is not an indication of malnutrition which is exactly why there is a scale. If your child is anywhere on the scale it could be healthy. The scale shows the weights of healthy children. If your child is in the 10th percentile, he should remain in the 10th percentile throughout his life unless there is some indication otherise of ill-health which is affecting his weight.
Using a scale such as this as proof of abuse is not appropriate.
Well, apparently you wrote them in invisible ink.
Can you explain how one kidnaps their own children? From whom do they demand ransom?
If your children have been legally taken away from you and placed in someone else's custody, and you violate that by taking them from that custodian AT GUNPOINT, then take the children ACROSS STATE LINES, that is called KIDNAPPING.
Ransom. You do not have to ask for money or ransom when kidnapping. Actually the kidnapping is a crime, and the ransom would only be a crime in the form of Extorsion.
Now, did I answer your question ?
And do you recognize that I did not make any incorrect statements about this case ? (excluding the lynching sarcasm)
Or are you not a man?
The police weren't conducting an investigation of possible crimes by the children. The children were victims being questioned regarding Brian's criminal acts against them.
No "Fifth Amendment" violation.
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