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Changing the 2nd Amendment
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | May 9, 2002 | Seattle Post Intelligencer Editorial Board

Posted on 05/09/2002 7:02:38 AM PDT by ethical

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/69642_guned.shtml

Changing the 2nd Amendment

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

It is disturbing, though not surprising, that the federal government has decided after numerous decades of settled thinking on the Second Amendment to reinterpret its position.

The marked shift, formalized in a pair of footnotes to legal briefs submitted Monday to the U.S. Supreme Court, occurs because of the deeply held beliefs of the man who is now leading the Justice Department, Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Last summer, in a letter to the National Rifle Association, Ashcroft foreshadowed the change in official thinking. "Let me state unequivocally my view that the text and the original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protects the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms," he wrote.

The department's departure is profound from philosophical and practical standpoints.

Until now, through Republican and Democratic administrations alike, the Justice Department has been in virtual lockstep with the high court's position on the Second Amendment, as last stated in the 1939 decision, United States v. Miller. In that case the court said the amendment protects only those gun ownership rights that have "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well regulated militia."

While legal scholarship on the exceedingly volatile amendment has seesawed between the two disparate views, the courts have been generally unified in their thinking -- adhering to the Miller decision in more than 100 federal and state appellate cases -- until last fall.

Then, in the prosecution of a Texan for violating a 1994 federal gun law, the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals departed from precedent to maintain that the amendment protects the individual right to bear arms. It did say those rights could be subject to "limited, narrowly tailored specific exceptions."

It should be noted that the department, while announcing its change of heart on the basic thrust of the amendment, does not disagree that gun ownership can be curtailed to some extent. And the department would prefer that the high court not involve itself in the Texas case or its companion on appeal, the case of a man convicted of owning two machine guns in violation of the ban against them.

We disagree. Though couched in a footnote, the pointed challenge to decades of unified thinking by the judiciary -- the perspective that ultimately counts -- has been made.

The time is ripe, as is said in legal parlance, for the high court to weigh in again on the Second Amendment and, it can be hoped, reaffirm the position that the Constitution guarantees only a collective right to guns through state and federal militias, not an individual's absolute right. Otherwise, the door will open wide to weakening the responsible gun laws that protect us all.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; banglist; gunrights
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As if "departing from a (bad legal)precedent" is an evil thing. The "thinking" on the second amendment was never "unified" once Judges started trashing it.
1 posted on 05/09/2002 7:02:38 AM PDT by ethical
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To: ethical
........."We disagree".......

Well, as they say in Russia...toughski shitski.

3 posted on 05/09/2002 7:09:02 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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To: ethical
Do you have an e-mail address or a website that we can reply to?

I would love to send this person an altered copy of our Constitution where "people" is replaced with "National Guard."

Reading that altered Constitution does express the basic point of "WE THE PEOPLE..."

4 posted on 05/09/2002 7:09:35 AM PDT by Hunble
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To: ethical
Settled thinking in the liberal mind, perhaps.
5 posted on 05/09/2002 7:10:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ethical
that the Constitution guarantees only a collective right to guns through state and federal militias, not an individual's absolute right. Otherwise, the door will open wide to weakening the responsible gun laws that protect us all.

Do you think they want to weaken the First Admendment too???

6 posted on 05/09/2002 7:10:38 AM PDT by chesty_puller
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To: ethical
The time is indeed ripe for the SCOTUS to render a decision and clearly state what any competent second grader could tell you, "the right of the individual citizens to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!"

I'm worried that this move by the administration is designed to prevent a clear and final ruling, placating the conservatives temporaily, yet allowing the gbmnt to change "policy" again at its pleasure.

We need a ruling!

7 posted on 05/09/2002 7:11:00 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: ethical
Idiot liberals. I really don't know what else to say.
8 posted on 05/09/2002 7:11:08 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: ethical
The time is ripe, as is said in legal parlance, for the high court to weigh in again on the Second Amendment and, it can be hoped, reaffirm the position that the Constitution guarantees only a collective right to guns through state and federal militias, not an individual's absolute right.

My rebuttle to this asinine statement:

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of this is so hard to understand?

9 posted on 05/09/2002 7:13:45 AM PDT by Pern
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To: ethical
Sigh.

No, dear witless sheep of the Seattle Post Intelligencer Editorial Board, the Second Amendment is not being "reinterpreted."

It is being un-interpreted.

10 posted on 05/09/2002 7:14:38 AM PDT by Mr. Bungle
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To: ethical
--obviously, they have never even read Miller in its entirety--(although I will grant that it looks like the intern who wrote it was paid by the column-inch)
11 posted on 05/09/2002 7:18:08 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: ethical
Trotting out that old lie about Miller again?

The "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well regulated militia" qualifier referred to the parameters of which weapons were protected by the Second Amendment. The protection itself was clearly understood to pertain to individual possession and ownership.

The court was simply addressing what is now known as the "nukes and nerve gas" straw man.

12 posted on 05/09/2002 7:18:54 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Pern
In this time of terrorists attacks upon America..

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What do they not understand? We, the citizens of America are the militia and it is our duty to secure our free state.

Sorry, but color codes or security checks at the airport does not make it.

13 posted on 05/09/2002 7:19:42 AM PDT by Hunble
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To: ethical
This editorial is a pack of Leftist lies. The "collectivist" view of the Second Amendment has NEVER been "settled thinking" in the courts. Nor is it "settled thinking" in academia. Laurence Tribe, noted liberal constitutional lawyer, among many others, agrees that the Second Amendment guarantees INDIVIDUAL rights.
14 posted on 05/09/2002 7:20:22 AM PDT by mondonico
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To: ethical
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER

Changing Dred Scott

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

Wednesday, September 20, 1863 --

It is disturbing, though not surprising, that the federal government has decided after numerous decades of settled thinking on the propriety of slavery to reinterpret its position...

15 posted on 05/09/2002 7:21:36 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: ethical
It is disturbing, though not surprising, that the federal government has decided after numerous decades of settled thinking on the Second Amendment to reinterpret its position.

Starts with a lie and then adds several others throughout this piece of trash.

16 posted on 05/09/2002 7:22:27 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: Pern
the right of the people...

It might also interest idiot liberals to consider that each and every time the words "the people" is used in the other articles of the Bill of Rights, it is used to describe an individual right.

Now, why would the Founders, notoriously meticulous and careful writers, mean something different when they wrote "the people" in the Second Amendment?

And that's not even to discuss the wealth of evidence in the records of the debates and the Founders other writings to support the "individual right" position.

And besides, since when does the left give a shit about textual interpretation of the constitution? Watching them contort themselves around a few phrases in a lame attempt to make their case is almost painful and embarrasing, since we know they couldn't care less about the written consitution, supporting, as they do, such abominations as Roe v. Wade which bears no resemblance to the written constitution.

17 posted on 05/09/2002 7:22:56 AM PDT by borkrules
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To: mondonico
Every gun owner in Seattle should send a message to this newspaper. Stop delivery for one month.
18 posted on 05/09/2002 7:23:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ethical

19 posted on 05/09/2002 7:24:14 AM PDT by keithtoo
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To: ethical
Since the right to "keep and bear arms" was well understood from 1789-1939, 150 years, why is the emphasis place on the "numerous decades" from 1939-present, 43 years? Since it is historical fact that crime is greatly reduced where the right to carry is affirmed, why do liberals demand that that right be eliminated? Could it be because our founders said that if the government became oppressive the people had a right to overthrough it? Could it be for the same reason they emphasis "the state shall not establish a religion" and then ignore the rest of the sentence, "nor prevent the free exercise thereof"? Could it be that the Constitution restricts their plans to change our form of government? That is my bet.
20 posted on 05/09/2002 7:25:50 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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